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wborys
OldFartBassPlayerWalt

Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Aug 27th, 2018 08:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

I do a once a month Church gig, singer and two acoustics. Huge cavern of church, great reverb, plugged directly into the church mixer. Once in a while I lose the second guitarist, usually with no time to rehearse another guitarist.

Any suggestions to fatten up the sound of my Taylor 510CE, to make it fuller sounding for driving chord rhythms, and/or finger picking?

If we're talking compressor, what pedal have you had good experiences in an acoustic environment?
(emphasis is on natural sounding wood sounds)

As always, thanks for any help

oldFartBassPlayerTurnedOnceAMonthGuitarist Walt




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Aug 27th, 2018 09:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

So many options, including compression, delay, overdrive, chorus, EQ. Just don't overdo any of them.

Dolemite

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Aug 27th, 2018 09:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

Hiya Walt, I have a Ross clone that sounds great on acoustic. Also had good luck with the Xotic SP mini. I’d recommend a feedback buster in the sound hole though.

(This message was last edited by Dolemite at 11:31 AM, Aug 27th, 2018)

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Aug 27th, 2018 09:46 AM   Edit   Profile  

Depending on when the 510ce was built and hoping it has ES1.2 or ES1.3 you most likely don't need anything in a room of that size. Adjusting the onboard EQ should do the trick, just dial up a bit more low end. If you have an ES1 system use a balanced male TRS to male XLR for board and hopefully stage amp connections.

I play a 2007 810ce in similar conditions at times. Guitar, the above described cable and a Fishman Loudbox 100. If there is a house system the board gets a low Z feed from the Fishman post EQ. The anti feedback knob on the Fishman work great as does the feedback buster mentioned above.

(This message was last edited by Hammond101 at 05:16 PM, Aug 27th, 2018)

larryguitar19
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larryguitar
Aug 27th, 2018 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have the Fishman Tonedeq which provides compression and EQ.

To my ear Taylors (I have a 414CE) are not really 'fat sounding' guitars compared to a Gibson J45 which have a lot of low end boom.

But you can definitely EQ in some bass.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 12:07 PM, Aug 27th, 2018)

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Aug 27th, 2018 12:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

Beyond electronic enhancement, the solution may be a simpler one.

If you're currently strumming chords and not doing a lot of single-note stuff, take the string set gauge up up one level, or try a light-top-heavy-bottom set.

Also, if you're using a light gauge pick, go up to a thicker or stiffer pick to get the strings moving. Light-gauge picks tend to be really plinky sounding.



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Aug 27th, 2018 01:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

Walt - I have a '97 Taylor 510E - no cutaway, ordered by the orig owner with a factory-installed Fishman pickup. Great guitar!
I find my Keeley Compressor + set on relatively low Sustain (11-12 o clock) between guitar and my BOSS Katana 100 (acoustic setting) makes a very nice boost/tone 'fattener.' I had a Barber Tone Press at one time that did the same thing pretty well. What Peegoo says about a thicker pick can make a difference too. I think it was Mark Knopfler who said, 'The best amplifier you can get is a good pick.'
Good luck w/ your tone search.

gdw3

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Aug 27th, 2018 03:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

Along a different line of thinking, I recently purchased a Mooer Radar, which is a speaker cab/mic/power amp emulator. It works with IRs (impulse responses), and sounds pretty great! One of the things I got it for was for acoustic playing when going into a PA. There are definitely some settings that work nicely with acoustic, though I've barely scratched the surface at this point. You can edit the patches, can turn on and off each type of emulation (so if you just want to use a cabinet impulse only, for example) and can load in your own IRs. Pretty amazing little box for the cost.

It's weird, because everything else they do is pretty much a mini clone of an existing pedal. But this one is really unique and powerful.

Mooer Radar

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Aug 28th, 2018 11:32 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think the heavier pick suggestion is a really good one.

One other thing I'd think about is perceived fatness - what kind of tone is your bassist using? Adjusting that so it fills the guitar's low mids out could be an option.

It's like when the bass player plays the wrong note and everyone blames the guitarist. The audience sometimes can't distinguish the two.

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Aug 28th, 2018 11:42 AM   Edit   Profile  

Sounds like the natural reverb in the room is more than enough. Apart from reverb, I`ve always liked a tiny bit of chorus on electro-acoustics to give them a hint of jangle. Otherwise I agree that it's mostly about strings, pick selection, eq and technique. You could try some compression, again very subtly. It can help with string balance, smooth out the pick attack and/or add sustain, but I don't really associate it with fattening the sound, other than if you use the compressor as a signal booster.

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Aug 28th, 2018 12:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

A friend used to play his Martin acoustic through a stereo chorus into a stereo PA system and the sound would simply wrap around you. I don’t know if your church runs stereo but that’s my experience.

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larryguitar
Aug 28th, 2018 06:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

Agree with Peegoo and Brent on the topic of picks.

I've gone to medium strings and heavy picks and can't go back.

Recently I gook the plunge and got some Bluechips. They are a bit pricey at $40/per. You don't want to buy a package of 20 but certainly I think everybody should have at least a couple in their gig bag.

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Aug 29th, 2018 02:34 AM   Edit   Profile  

Consider a few oddball pedals...

The Boss Enhancer half rack unit - EH50.
The Boss CE20 blue chorus - use the Dimension D effect.

Both tend to bring your sound forward and enrich it.

Twangmeister

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Aug 29th, 2018 06:54 AM   Edit   Profile  

I ditch the pick and just use my fingertips and thumb which also gave me a fatter tone for jazz guitar

Dolemite

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Aug 29th, 2018 07:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

I love it when we all agree😬

Forgot to mention- I use a Baggs PARA in tandem with a TC Electronics Bodyrez. Fat as heck.

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Aug 29th, 2018 08:13 AM   Edit   Profile  

The Baggs para is indeed a fattener if needed. I use that do do a little eq. Stuff depending on the instrument. Usually doesn’t need a lot but depending on the amp system the sound hole cover is a good idea. All you can do is give it a try and see where you’re at sound wise in a given room. Better to have and not need situation.

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Aug 29th, 2018 04:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

I just bought a JHS Pulp'N'Peel, which is a compressor with an XLR out so it can be used as a DI pedal. I'll let you know how it works with acoustic guitar once it arrives from merchant.

wborys
OldFartBassPlayerWalt

Robbinsville, NJ

what do you mean the bass is too loud?
Aug 30th, 2018 12:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

thanks for all the suggestions, guys!

We rehearsed acoustically yesterday, and the 'fat pick' solution works great for the entrance and recessional, when you want a big, majestic sound.

I'm keeping my current string guage, though, since I'm doing a lot of fingerpicking for the quiet stuff, and don't want to throw my feel off.

And thinking it out, I guess I'm a little scared of jumping in with new pedals without some previous experience. ...expecially when I'm the ONLY instrument in front of 600 people.

ALSO, besides plugging in, I'll be mic'ing the acoustic for fuller sound, using a real nice EV condenser they have.

but I am a little curious about the JHS pedal, jellybones- let us know how it works out.

oldFartFatPickGuitarPlayer Walt

(This message was last edited by wborys at 01:28 PM, Aug 31st, 2018)

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