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Leftee
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Aug 31st, 2018 03:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

I wonder if they know something we don’t.

reverendrob
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Aug 31st, 2018 06:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

There's some switching at various points, but Fender's the one that has traditionally had it - and well, while I'm not adverse to alternatives....when the rest of the market is able to on Indonesian and Chinese models...I just shake my head.

(and I put my money where my mouth is, two of my Gibsons have granadillo fretboards. One is VERY red and light, one is darker and better looking that the average rosewood from the modern age I have around here)

But damn it, guys....if I can get a $500 PRS with rosewood...

gort9

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Sep 3rd, 2018 03:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Well, there's rosewood and then there's rosewood. We're not quite at the 'rich corinthian leather' phase yet, but the days of plentiful genuine rosewood are more or less gone and they're using the name a lot more generically than they used to.

It would be interesting if the manufacturers would note the actual species that was used in a specific guitar, but there's little chance of that.

Wikipedia article on 'rosewood'

Peegoo
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Sep 3rd, 2018 10:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

"It would be interesting if the manufacturers would note the actual species that was used in a specific guitar, but there's little chance of that."

Determining the true species of a milled lumber is virtually impossible in the exotic woods market these days.

Unless you're buying your stock exclusively from a supplier that certifies the wood species, all bets are off. That's why most makers use generic labels like "rosewood" to describe a wood type.

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Sep 3rd, 2018 11:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Determining the true species of a milled lumber is virtually impossible in the exotic woods market these days."

Well, in principle guitar manufacturers can trace the provenance of lumber back to a specific forest and therefore should have that information. They've been doing this for years.

But a customs officer cannot be expected to identify by eye every subspecies, which clearly can look incredibly similar. Which is why the new CITES rules came into effect. It doesn't matter that not all Dalbergia subspecies may become endangered or are subject to illegal logging, only that enough of them are that all subspecies have to have import export documentation if sold across borders.

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Sep 3rd, 2018 01:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

Makes sense. But, back to Fender (or any other substantial manufacturer)...

You would think that because they still DO use rosewood on some guitars, they would have established suppliers who can give them the specifics of where the stuff is actually coming from and what it actually is.

So, again...we need a good conspiracy theory here.

;-/) LOL...

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Sep 4th, 2018 11:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

I remember just 3-5 years ago. Gibson had a runin with the government over rosewood. They said it was ok for other countries to use it but not USA. I imagine it is pricey here now. Funny how one may look beautiful while another instrument is dark with little or no grain showing

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Sep 4th, 2018 02:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Gibson had a runin with the government over rosewood. They said it was ok for other countries to use it but not USA."

Not true.

Gibson bought ebony from Madagascar in 2008 and 2009 that they 100% knew was illegally harvested and illegally exported and they were willingly negligent in their responsibilities under a number of US laws regarding those shipments (25,000 ebony fretboad blanks in 4 shipments).

There was a separate investigation in 2011 regarding Indian rosewood and ebony. It was decided in that matter that Gibson had no case to answer and no action was taken against them. Gibson have been compliant with US and international laws since then.

More than 170 countires are signatories of the CITES convention and the same laws regarding traceability and certification apply pretty much all over the world.

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Sep 4th, 2018 05:44 PM   Edit   Profile  

I had pau ferro on my srv that I used to have. Nice wood and it made a nice board. A lot of the rosewood is lighter today than a decade ago, sometimes. I have a 07 avri 59 thinskin with a very dark board , darker even than my 15 custom shop. I also have a 335 that is darker than my Lester. .

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Sep 4th, 2018 09:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Dr. Kev. That puts a whole new light on what occurred and makes more sense. I guess Internet information is subjective at best

musicalmartin

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Sep 10th, 2018 03:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

They would have a hell of a job getting them through European customs .So they dont bother.PF is fine.

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Sep 25th, 2018 11:22 AM   Edit   Profile  

PAO FERRO

AKA:

Caviuna
Bolivian Rosewood
Morado
and many other names

I have several very old, very large planks of Bolivian Rosewood AKA all of the above

SonicBlue

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Sep 26th, 2018 03:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

Link to Andertons (large UK retailer) piece on Fender and pau ferro

External link

reverendrob
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Sep 26th, 2018 08:30 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yet..Gibson is selling their lowest-priced electric of the current year...with a rosewood board.

In England etc.

It's cheaper than many of the MIM models from Fender to boot, and American-made.

Rosewood boards!

jefe46
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Sep 27th, 2018 08:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

Anderton's has lived up to the usual misinformed blather and generalizations.

Glad to see it's up to $50 a board ft.
Makes my stash worth the purchase, storage, hauling it around for the last 30-40 years

More names:

Moradillo
Jacaranda Pardo

Santos Rosewood

(This message was last edited by jefe46 at 10:31 AM, Sep 27th, 2018)

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Sep 27th, 2018 11:17 AM   Edit   Profile  

Plus, their grammar is pretty bad. They keep using "have" where the appropriate word is "has."

Leftee
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Sep 27th, 2018 11:19 AM   Edit   Profile  

It’s their language. Are we allowed to correct them? What, with tossing the tea in the harbor and all.

stratcowboy
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Sep 27th, 2018 04:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

I know what you mean. I mean...the "King's English." I always figured if it was coming from "over there," it was correct. But they've succumbed to the common denominator that is the internet. Unfortunately. My faith in the ever-upward path of humanity has been tested in recent years. Now it's shattered (Sha-doobie!) when the English can't even speak English.

Oh well...


Leftee
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Sep 27th, 2018 04:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well put

jefe46
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Sep 27th, 2018 05:38 PM   Edit   Profile  

Well Putt.!

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