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FDP Forum / Performer's Corner / advice on condenser attenuators?

larryguitar19
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Sep 7th, 2018 09:44 PM   Edit   Profile  

So here is the deal...

I have a condenser mic that I want to use instead of the Shure SM 58 in a small live setting with my existing TC Helicon GXT in the phantom power setting.

The problem is the signal being sent from the mic to the TC is so hot that I actually hear the voice when the gain on the TC is completely off. When I do that then the effects don't work because it requires a minimum level of input sensitivity.

I think I need to attenuate the condenser mic. So I"m looking at attenuator pads.

I have been advised to stick with the Shure dynamics as the workhorse. and I get that. But I want to use my really cool condenser mic (Ear Trumpet) live and impress the crowd with the aesthetics of the mic.

So I think if I want to use a condenser mic in a live setting with effects pedals I need to attenuate the signal.

I'd like advice. Anybody experienced that?

reverendrob
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Sep 8th, 2018 06:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a few multipurpose inline XLR pads for just this sort of thing - one for the attenuator signal that's just too hot for the channel pre on the board if it's cooking (not dangerously so, but...I wanted a choice on whether the mic preamp was driving too), another for the large diaphragm condenser I use sometimes (the Oktavas came with their own pads that can be inserted in the mic body between the capsule and the rest), etc.

Will depend on how much reduction you actually need.

larryguitar19
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larryguitar
Sep 8th, 2018 12:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

I"m coming around the notion that a -10db attenuator might be the simple solution.

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Sep 9th, 2018 10:11 AM   Edit   Profile  

What is the reason you're married to the condenser mic? You're creating unnecessary complexity, to my way of thinking.

There are plenty of unpowered dynamics that sound great, are super-directional, and affordable.

larryguitar19
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Sep 9th, 2018 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile  

Agree on all points. I use the Shure SM58 as the standard. I'm not married to the condenser mic and it most certainly is a hassle.

The purpose has to do with performance visuals. The EarTrumpet is a piece of art designed for a retro bluegrass flat picking show. It has a 'coolness factor' to it.

I"m committed to getting away from the t-shirt-cargo shorts- flip flop approach and go with something more interesting and professional looking

MC Kids with Ear Trumpet

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 02:33 PM, Sep 9th, 2018)

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Sep 9th, 2018 12:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

Ohhhhgotcha. Makes sense to me.

And good onya for eschewing cargo shorts and tee shirts, Hay-waiian flowerdy shirts, and bowling shirts.

Seems to be de rigeur uniform for all MAWG/OWG bands these days.

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Sep 11th, 2018 10:45 AM   Edit   Profile  

Larry, if you're using this mic bluegrass style for your instruments and voice, what purpose does the TC Helicon serve? Isn't this a vocal processor?

larryguitar19
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Sep 11th, 2018 05:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

The mic is only for vocals. The guitar has its own processor-- a Fishman Tonedeq with a bit of delay and tremolo.

I realize I am throwing everybody off using things in an unconventional way.

I just wanted something more than the dry vocal signal. I think those TC Helicon processors are great.

(This message was last edited by larryguitar19 at 08:07 PM, Sep 11th, 2018)

Juice Nichols
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Sep 11th, 2018 07:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

They are great boxes. I misunderstood what you were trying to do with it. I saw the video you linked and thought that was what you were trying to do.

larryguitar19
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Sep 12th, 2018 01:15 PM   Edit   Profile  

I did a performance with the Shure and the GTX and it was like night and day. The vocals really came out from under the blanket. So I'm never going back to dry monitor mix again.

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