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Telegib

Canada

Oct 6th, 2018 01:01 PM   Edit   Profile  

Congrats. The Katanas are fine amp and plenty loud. I don’t own the Artist but I own the Katana 100 watt head.

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Oct 6th, 2018 05:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've been using my 100 head on the .5 watt setting lately as well. Finding some very nice tones and no shortage of volume which puzzles me a little. Can it really be only putting out .5 watt?

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Oct 6th, 2018 05:27 PM   Edit   Profile  

My one watt Marshall is still loud at .1w.

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 6th, 2018 05:52 PM   Edit   Profile  

Be sure to use the PC app, ToneStudio. And try sneaky amps which allows a bunch of other amps than the 5 on the dial on the front of the amp. You can't configure any of the effects without it. You will get 100 times more out of it than you will using only the amp's front panel. Theres one sneaky amp marshall called "1959I+II" that IMO and the opinions of quite a few people is better than any of the sounds on the front panel dial. IMO WAY better. Sneaky amps also includes a clean twin model which sound much better then the front panel clean setting. Combine the twin clean with some of the pedal models, especially the blues driver and you can create infinite sounds with all the settings within. Many that can get more fendery overdriven or generic tones than the VERY marshally front panel sounds. I get so many better tones using the sneaky amps i don't even use the front panel sounds anymore ! I just create sounds with the 2 fav sneaky amps i mentioned and save them to the amp. Fantastic amp if you are good enough at tweaking to get the best from it, but it does take some work to get the best it's capable of.
On a side note, i LOVE the waza speaker. It has beaten out my all time fav speakers and become my all time fav and IMO the artist is worth it just for that alone. Nevermind the bigger and therefore better sounding cabinet and front panel cab selector. You made a great choice, just be sure to give it a chance and really delve into the tweaks. I know many hate that but once you learn to get the best from it you don;'t have to tweak anymore then with a regular amp. And it;s worth it. I prefer the tones i get in both feel and sound to many of the tube amps i have owned.

reverendrob
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Oct 7th, 2018 05:38 AM   Edit   Profile  

It's a GT-100 with power amp essentially.

Loved the thing since it came out - and you're missing tons if you don't use the control options for looking at what's under the hood.

Even if you never use it again after seeing what's there and dialing in a few sounds you want for regular use....you've paid for a ton more than just the box it seems to be.

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Oct 7th, 2018 07:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

I'm new to programming but I am going to download the app and hookup the foot controller to the computer and see if I can get some of the sounds I like from my pedalboard. If I can emulate those settings then I will be satisfied to do our show this coming weekend. It will be nice to take just an amp and foot controller to the gig and not have a bunch of cables running everywhere.
The amp does sound fantastic and even if I just ran my pedalboard ti the effects loop, I would still be confident enough to play.
I have my equipment at our practice place and it isn't available here to readily compare my settings to my expectations. But after the show, I'll have more time to configure the amp towards my needs.
Right now, when I shift from the first bank to the second bank of settings, well, it's kind of like my old Boss GT 8. I get some effects and volume jumps on those patches that I wouldn't ever use. I'm not a fan of having to write and save patches but I see that's what I have to do in order to get this thing up and running the way I want it.
But as the Rev said, it's all there and I just have to find and edit this stuff.
The Waza Craft speaker is a thing of beauty and with the larger cabinet and voicing ability, you can create your sound! What a dream amp to own!
Thanks fellas for the encouragement and the rave reviews, it is a really great combination of components!

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 7th, 2018 09:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

Some of the best tones i have gotten are with the config i mentioned above... the clean twin set with gain all the way down and the blues driver for distortion. It;s so tweakable you can spend endless hours perfecting that one sound alone. But once you save it to the amp you can no longer adjust the blues driver settings without going back to the PC hookup. Thats the things major flaw. So i made 3 versions of it saved to the amp and that way i can switch between them and see which is best. Next time i play out whichever is best is the one i'll keep. The amp is a real PITA in this regard but the tones i'm getting blow away the other digital amps i have had and i am for the first time getting 100% tube like feel and tone. So i feel it's worth the flaws. But if Boss ever updates the amp with a LCD so everything is available at the amp, i'll be the first in line at the guitar store.

Also note that there are things u can't get with the boss PC editor that the 3rd party app "FXfloorboard" can get. For example, using that all with sneaky amps allows you to choose a model called "custom". When you choose that theres a sub menu within the custom amp where u can choose one of about 5 or 6 models one being the clean twin. Of course u can choose the clean twin without getting it thru the custom amp, but when u use it thru the custom model it adds about 5 more tone controls a few of which are PRE distortion. So you can EQ as normal but also adjust bottom, edge, pre low, pre high, and character. The last one being a sort of mid cut.boost that totally changes the sound. So with that and the blues driver you can spend a lifetime exploring it;s capabilities. Yeah, it;s a rabbit hole so u have to try and control yourself. But if like me you enjoy tweaking and finding better and better sounds.

(This message was last edited by iknowjohnny at 11:20 AM, Oct 7th, 2018)

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Oct 7th, 2018 09:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

I see the term 'sneaky amps' here but where are you going on the website to find them?

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 7th, 2018 09:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

You can download FXfloorboard here... https://sourceforge.net/projects/fxfloorboard/files/KatanaFxFloorBoard/

I believe if i recall it comes already loaded with sneaky amps. If not just google sneaky amps and you will find it. It just has to go into the proper folder in your Boss tone studio installation or in FXfloorboard. Tho like i said, floorboard i believe comes pre-loaded with it. Note that floorboard allows a number of things tone studio doesn't. For example, you can put any effect anywhere in the chain. You can also use 2 effects from one effects block at once. Example: boss tone studio only allows you to use either delay or FX from the "delay./FX" block at once, but not both simultaneously. FXfloorboard allows both. There are compromises but it may be valuable to you. I use both and prefer tone stucio for most things. But when it comes to sneaky amps there are things FXFB needs to be used for or is more convenient to use for. .

(This message was last edited by iknowjohnny at 11:56 AM, Oct 7th, 2018)

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Oct 7th, 2018 10:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have the floor board controller. I saw a demo of the Boss Tone Studio and on the screen panel, it showed the editor for allowing 3 types of effects to be assigned to each present bank. I'm also assuming that I can save the volume preset for each patch and have a more even transition from each setting and adjust the volume needed for real time use? I don't want to have big volume jumps when accessing each of the presets.
Thanks for posting this and I'll check it out.

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 7th, 2018 09:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

Just to be clear, by FXfloorboard i'm talking about a PC app that is a 3rd party app to use with the amp like boss tone studio. I wasn't referring to the controller. Copy and paste the link to download it. It allows 5 effects at once unlike boss tone studio,. But the best part is it allows more effects and amp models from sneaky amps than boss tone studio allows.

(This message was last edited by iknowjohnny at 11:54 PM, Oct 7th, 2018)

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Oct 11th, 2018 08:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

Last night at practice I needed to lower the volume, when I did it got really strange. So my question is, when you have a preset that you like, do just lower the master volume control only and not touch the first volume control?
I know that the patches are set/made with the software and I'm guessing that the only other adjustment would be from the master volume control.
Thanks for helping me out with this, as I'm clueless to how this all works and have only used digital effects and not an actual integrated digital amplifier before.

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 11th, 2018 08:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

Hmmmm....i'm not sure. I never had that problem, but i have a thought about what u MAY have experienced. I find like any amp, but much more so with modelers than tube amps that the tone difference from low bedroom volumes to stage is considerable. I always have to tweak patches i make at home a lot when i use them in a band context because what sounded amazing at home turns out horrible loud without totally re setting the EQ. There is a point in the volume regardless of which one u use that turning down will quickly sound quite different.maybe what u experienced was having tweaked the sound to your liking at practice then when u turned down it was past that point. I can really only imagine that happening tho if your band plays quite low. I have never needed to turn down to that point or even played in a band situation where i;d go that low. Thats all i can think of, otherwise i'm not sure what happened. But in any case thats how the modelers i have had are....very very different at bedroom volumes than band, much more than tube amps. Of course i've only had 3 modelers so maybe they aren't all like that but mine were. I dunno what else to tell you except maybe try maxing the channel volume and using the master for overall volume, then try maxing the master and using the channel volume for volume. Some say the latter works best but i don't find that because i play fairly loud in band situations and the master never gets lower than about 1/2 way. But try both ways and maybe you will find one works much better for you. Could be u are just playing with the master much too low. Where was it set when it sounded strange? And when you say things got strange what do u mean by that?

(This message was last edited by iknowjohnny at 10:55 AM, Oct 11th, 2018)

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Oct 11th, 2018 10:04 AM   Edit   Profile  

I make a patch, save it and then while making other patches, I try to make them about the same volume wise, then, when we were playing the volume was too low for playing so I adjusted the channel volume be fore changing to the 'power control' to raise the entire amp volume. Well, I didn't get enough on the channel volume, so when using the 'power control', it was too loud so I tried to drop the channel volume and that's when it just drop out suddenly, not completely off but went really quiet.
So my thought was maybe the channel volume went below the patch settings and maybe caused the issue.
My thoughts are: If the patch is setup with software, does the channel volume become null and void, where the master volume control/power control are now the main output controls? I think the EQ portion is still able to be adjusted while playing live, but the channel volume has an issue with the programmed patch.
I don't know this stuff, but in my mind it seemed to make since, as this may directly affect the patch settings versus the master output controls.
Definitely a NEW BEE here to this stuff!!! SORRY!!
Like I said, I've used plenty of digital units, just not an integrated amp/effects and how they interreact.
It does sound fantastic and genuinely real tube sounding!!!

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 11th, 2018 11:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

First of all, this is just my opinion but i would suggest not to use the lower power control settings. They full 100 watt setting not only sounds more right to me but also if you are creating sounds on one setting then using another for different levels i think that may have a lot to do with it. I have tried even the 5w setting and to me it sounds no better down low than the 100 with the level turned down. I would suggest leaving it on 10 always and balancing the patch volume by turning your lowest volume patch (some sound higher or lower then others even when the channel vol is the same) and setting it on 10, then lowering the rest till they are all even volume wise. You're gonna want to do that at a louder volume or they probably won't be right when turned up. Then leave it on 100 watts always and use the master for our overal amp level. Thats what i do and i have no issues aside from like i said, high volume has to be EQ'd differently than low. And take note...i'm pretty sure the power settings are NOT power amp attenuation like boss wants you to believe. I think it's nothing more than a signal attenuator before the power amp which would mean the only value at all it has is to make the master less touchy at very low settings. Also note channel volume of a given patch will be directly affected by the tone controls.Turn the bass mid and treble on a patch all to zero and watch what happens. Volume goes to zero even with the master on 0 and 100 watts. So if you have a patch with the EQ settings a lot lower than another, that patch will need the channel volume up louder then the other patch to be the same volume. If you want to do something to make them equal due to channel volume/master issues, you can make them even by taking the lowest volume patches and turning the parametric EQ on in software and setting it to "amp out" and then with NO EQ added (unless u want that) turn the level up till it matches the loudest patches. That will act like a second master more or less and give you more volume when your channel volume is maxed out and it's not giving enough volume to keep up with the loudest patches. Of course the other option is turn the lowest sounding patche's channel vol to 10 and lower the rest to match. Only problem there is the amp then many not be loud enough for band use or may not sound as good

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Oct 11th, 2018 11:39 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks for replying as I have a friend who might come over and help me with programming my amp and will use the higher volume settings to set it up. With your input,I think we can make it perform on a more expected and even basis.
What you are saying makes good sense and I'll give those ideas a try and report back what I learned and also try fiddling with the controls to see how they interact with the patches and their settings.
Thanks again for your help, Woody

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 11th, 2018 11:51 AM   Edit   Profile  

No problem, glad to. Just hope it helps. This is just my experience with mine so it may or may not help. In any case i look forward to hearing your results. Good luck.

Cal-Woody

USA/California

Why do I keep fixing things that work?
Oct 11th, 2018 07:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

Do you have some favorite settings for your amp?
I have read that most people need to set the clean volume high with the gain just close to breakup to match the other higher gain channels. Is this your experience also?
Got this information from the Vguitar forum.
Just trying to get an idea on some of other people experiencing. Thanks, Woody

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VA

Oct 12th, 2018 08:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have no experience with this amp at all, so take this with a grain of salt.

I do agree completely with setting up your models at the volume and power setting used for their intended deployment.

My first gen Vypyr is the exact same way.

iknowjohnny

usa

Oct 12th, 2018 08:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

To be honest, i get my clean tones from a overdriven amp and setting the amount of distortion so that when i roll my volume on the guitar down it gets clean enough for me at around 4. I never really use a clean setting at the amp. I prefer the sound of rolled back cleans to a clean amp setting. So i cant really speak to that.

My fav settings are the 1959I+II sneaky amp and i save it to my amp with FXfloorboard because it allows more gain than if you save it to the amp with boss tone studio. (120 vs 100) I save it with the gain at 110. This allows me to adjust it to 100 at the amp if i want less gain or leave it if i want more. I don;'t save it to 120 because since the amp doesn't support gain above 100, the second you touch the knob it'll reset itself so that 100 id the max. So if u save at 120 you cant get anything between 100 and 120, and i find 120 too much. This way i can have 110 or less if i want. So i save it like that and EQ usually ends up at around noon to 1:00 for bass, 10:00 to 11:00 for treble, mids between 10:00 and noon and presence can vary all the way from off to 2:00. It depends on whether i'm at home at low volume o in a band context. But that model is great because i can set it in seconds for any situation due to the EQ's extreme versatility and perfect ly chosen frequency centers.

Second one i like is the clean twin with the gain all the way down and the blues driver for overdrive. The settings vary a lot and i use several patches of that tuned differently. But generally i roll the blues driver's tone down to around 10:00 and then use the amp model's EQ to give me good tonal balance. Gain on the blues driver at around 3:00 to almost full up. This gets me a really transparent sound thats very good but very different than the 1959I+II patch. If i raised the gain on the amp model and lower the gain on the blues driver, the amount of OD can be kept the same but the tone and feel changes radically and becomes more like the 1859 model. I don't do that but just to clarify that having the twins gain all the way down and getting all the OD from the blues driver creates a great sound but one thats very different to the 1959.

So those are my 2 main sounds at the moment. Just 2 very different flavors of OD that both clean up nicely when you roll down the volume on my vintage style low output strats with treble bleeds.

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