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Ryder
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Nov 1st, 2018 11:42 AM Edit Profile
Exactly!

Cal-Woody

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Nov 1st, 2018 12:40 PM Edit Profile
Are the Thinline Tele's just hollow on the wings and the routing still like the regular Tele's? If so, then adding shielding to the route below the pickups would be the way to go. That way you get the best of both worlds!

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Nov 1st, 2018 04:29 PM Edit Profile
Okay...
I can only take so much VN bashing here... ;^)

I have sets in multiple strats (and a couple non-strats). They are dead quiet both at home and in some fairly dodgy rehearsal spaces.

Tone-wise, they sound fantastic IMO. Maybe it's the way I EQ my amp, but I would defy anyone to hear them blindfolded and not say they sounded "like a strat" and certainly not muddy.

Just yesterday I was playing my Squier Deluxe Strat (which I hadn't played in months) and was quickly reminded how *great* that guitar plays and sounds. Very snappy, quacky and punchy... with VN's in it.

I know to each his own and I'm not really taking this personal (no, really) there will always be different camps when it comes to noiseless.

FWIW, I never had a problem with Lace Sensors when I used them. Another divisive issue...

That is all. Over & out.

Ryder
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Nov 1st, 2018 06:19 PM Edit Profile
Mick, sorry I bashed them.
Here’s my story. This is my second one. I sent one back because of the noise, and had them send me another of the same. It was noisy too.
I really think fender goofed on this one.
I’ve read complaints about the noise these make.
It’s something in the wiring I think

If I had VNs in another guitar I’d probably like them.

I’ll have the shop that’s doing the work make sure it’s ok.
Thanks

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Nov 1st, 2018 06:19 PM Edit Profile
sorry, my finger twitched twice
(This message was last edited by Ryder at 09:22 PM, Nov 1st, 2018)

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Nov 1st, 2018 06:29 PM Edit Profile
All in good fun!

I remember when you had that trouble.
If that had happened to me, I'd probably be put off too.

When it comes to tone, I always say "the beauty is in the ear of the beholder".

:^)

Also, you should have that "twitchy finer" checked out...
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Nov 1st, 2018 07:19 PM Edit Profile
I had silver Lace Sensors in my 1966 Mustang for many years when I was recording a lot and liked 'em. They were good!

Ryder
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Nov 2nd, 2018 05:11 AM Edit Profile
I know Mick, but it did cause me to stop and think.

It’s probably not the pickups at all, but the wiring. If they could fix the problem I might just like the VNS.

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Nov 9th, 2018 02:57 PM Edit Profile
Taking the Tele in, next week, for the pickup switcheroo.

This should be interesting!

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Nov 15th, 2018 06:25 AM Edit Profile
I've got a couple guitars with VN pickups. They are not noisy to my ear. But they do sound somewhat subdued. If you are wanting Tele treble and spank, the VN's don't fit well. If you are constantly rolling off the treble, you might like them. They just lose too much "sparkle" to my ear. But, I'm in no hurry to switch them or trade off the guitars. One is a Tele, MIM, ash body.

Ryder
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Nov 15th, 2018 06:29 AM Edit Profile
Jim, they just don’t have the sound I want. I took it in to Mass Street music, in Lawrence, yesterday.

Twisted Tele going in the neck, nocaster in th bridge.

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Nov 16th, 2018 11:51 PM Edit Profile
Weird. Regardless of their tonal qualities the original VN's in my 2002 Deluxe Strat are just about as noiseless as it gets and certainly less noise prone than certain humbuckers. But to get two duff sets in a row doesn't sound likely?

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Nov 17th, 2018 04:00 AM Edit Profile
I bought a set of Tele Gen 4 Noiseless a while back but haven't installed them.

I'm hoping to get that tele on the bench on Monday as I'm kind of between projects atm.
I'll report back once it's done.

The demos of the American Elite Tele's I saw convinced me to give 'em a go.

ps: If I'm really motivated and organised, I'll try and do an A/B recording before & after.

Ryder
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Nov 17th, 2018 07:16 AM Edit Profile
No, it doesn’t make sense but I think it’s the same grounding issue the first one had.

Both from Sweetwater, bad batch?

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Nov 17th, 2018 07:18 AM Edit Profile
Anything is possible.

Ryder
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Nov 17th, 2018 08:40 AM Edit Profile
"Anything is possible."

That's what I was thinking.

Anyway, it's in the shop to change the pickups and check out the noise.

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Nov 17th, 2018 08:43 AM Edit Profile
Please keep us posted!

Ryder
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Nov 17th, 2018 12:03 PM Edit Profile
I will, but I took two guitars in. It will take until the end of the month.
I’ll report back when he emails me what’s going on with the noise.

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Nov 20th, 2018 11:43 AM Edit Profile
Pretty much what I thought...something like this.

“The ground wire was resting on the shielding.”

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By eight feets
Nov 20th, 2018 12:50 PM Edit Profile
Hmmm...a ground wire and shielding should be at the same ground potential in a passive circuit because there are no multiple voltage levels anywhere in there. That's why ground loops causing hum cannot occur in a passive AC guitar circuit.

Perhaps the shielding was improperly grounded and the ground wire in contact with it was a resistive connection, causing noise (thermal noise, Johnson noise, shot noise, etc.). Anytime gain stages are part of the equation, noise often finds a way into the signal.

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