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FDP Forum / The 'Pup' Tent / P90 in humbucker footprint

Nawlins Dawg

N.O.,LA USA

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Nov 2nd, 2018 02:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

What would you say is the humbucker-sized P90 that sounds the most faithful to a soap bar or dog eared P90? I’ve watched a goodly number of YouTube demos of various iterations - many of them made by reputable pickup makers. At best they seem to capture the dynamic characteristics and output quite well, but the sound just ain’t quite there for me. It’s clearly a tall order, and possibly not in the cards due to the physics of the whole deal. Got one you can recommend?

Leftee
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Nov 2nd, 2018 03:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

I asked Aaron of Runpelstiltskin to wind me a pair. They do the P90 thing quite well - especially given the physical dimension difference. I’m a happy camper.

Cal-Woody

USA/California

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Nov 2nd, 2018 06:40 PM   Edit   Profile  

Even if you did get some humbucker sized P-90 pickups made or bought, I would think in order to capture that sound, I think that they would have to line up with where the coil and screws do on the guitar that you are trying to voice it to. I think that would capture more of the dynamics that you want. So, something like a Gibson P-94 or a Seymour Duncan Phat Cat would be in line with that thought. You could still have them wound to your desired output but I think that the pole pieces need to be in that vicinity for the best sound. Just a thought! Woody

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Nov 2nd, 2018 10:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

There's also the GFS Mean 90.

The problem is the physical characteristics of the pickup.

A "P90 in a humbucker" has a smaller coil than a P90 does (see link). The P90 has a lot more wire on the outsides of the two E strings. This does affect tone and response, and is what prevents an HB-size P90 from sounding just like a P90. They get close, but not quite.

I have Duncan Phat Cats in a guitar, and I have a GFS Mean 90 in another. They don't sounds like P90s to me, but they *do* sound good as guitar pickups go.

I like them, but they're their own thing.

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Achase4u
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Nov 2nd, 2018 11:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think you can get in the neighborhood, but it's impossible to convey how close. Some people will be happy, others will curse the laws of physics. There are differences because the size constraints create different dimensions which equate to another sound, to a degree.

Nawlins Dawg

N.O.,LA USA

There's no place like tone
Nov 2nd, 2018 11:57 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, it's another case of you can’t expect a cat to act like a donkey, I reckon. But then, the “its own thing” deal can sometimes turn out to be very cool

(This message was last edited by Nawlins Dawg at 02:01 AM, Nov 3rd, 2018)

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Nov 3rd, 2018 06:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Aaron speaks truth. It is hard to convey where these land. I would say P90-ish. But not pure P90 tone. It is a great set of tones, though.

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Nov 3rd, 2018 07:01 AM   Edit   Profile  

They do sound good. They are P90-ish; they growl and bark nicely, and clean up too.

A very cool aspect of these is the all-metal case (metal base plate and metal cover). It's an ideal shield that rejects the RF a typical P90 (with a plastic soap bar or dog ear cover) cannot. Makes for quieter operation.

(This message was last edited by Peegoo at 09:04 AM, Nov 3rd, 2018)

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Nov 5th, 2018 12:45 PM   Edit   Profile  

I've had the GFS Mean 90 and Mean 180 (which is actually a humbucker masquerading as a noiseless P90), and liked them both. Not the most hi-fi pickups I've ever heard, but definitely a pleasant sound. The only reason I don't use them now is that I went back to straight humbuckers. My Reverend has the bass contour control (why don't more guitar makers have this? It's amazing.), so it does the thin kinda single-coily thing surprisingly well.

(This message was last edited by gdw3 at 02:48 PM, Nov 5th, 2018)

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Nov 5th, 2018 12:46 PM   Edit   Profile  

The one thing that I absolutely LOVED about the GFS Mean 180 is that both coils had screws to adjust the pole heights. You could really tweak the sound amazingly well. Again, why don't more makers do this?

Achase4u
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Nov 5th, 2018 01:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

Strange convention. The story goes that with the original paf design it had all slugs, then marketing had them add a screw side for adjustability so the customer felt like they had some control.

Why not do both sides like a filtertron though? I dunno.

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