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BrentD
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Feb 15th, 2019 12:50 PM   Edit   Profile  

I know the "what's the best replacement speaker" debate has been done, but I came across a video on YT today where a guy played a '67 BFDR against a '17 DRRI, both allegedly stock. I think this would mean there was an Oxford 12K5-6 in the '67.

I have never really gotten my DRRI to get along with overdrives the way I'd like, and I suspect a mid-scoop in the C12K.

I have linked the video - the guy first cranks up the old amp and then does the same with the reissue. What I hear in the RI is indeed a big mid-scoop.

So is there a replacement speaker that has more midrange like the one in the '67 in this video? Can anyone make any suggestions? I think my pedals would get along better with the old amp's tone, and again I believe the speaker is the culprit.

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Peegoo
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Feb 16th, 2019 12:40 AM   Edit   Profile  

Eminence Legend 12".

BrentD
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Feb 16th, 2019 06:36 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks. Would that be a 1258 or one of the other models?

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Feb 16th, 2019 09:17 AM   Edit   Profile  

I settled on a Celestion Gold in my DRRI. There are plenty of mids to my ears. I have a '65 DR w/Oxford but I have never taken the time to make a thorough comparison between it and the DRRI. I just know the Celestion Gold sounds great in the DRRI.

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Feb 16th, 2019 10:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

The Eminence 1258 is it.

A Celestion Gold is another great choice, but more $$.

Another breat (and affordable) option is a Jensen MOD series 12, or their

Vintage Ceramic 12 from sponsor AES above.

pcalu

usa Thumb area Mi

Feb 16th, 2019 12:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

Since the OP doesn't like the Jensen C12K I say shy clear of the WGS G12C (very similar speaker)

Jensen C12Q is a great choice if you plan to use a DRRI as it was intended. (one of my favorites) Not so good if your plan is to play it as the current internet trend i.e Clip the bright cap, dime it and run an attenuator. (I can think of several amps better suited for that type of application Not a fan of that.)

If one looks at the main Fender amp Facebook site, there is a mass of guys who ended up putting the C12K back in after trying a bunch of after market speakers

Celestions are great for the above. But... I prefer Jensens over Celestions, I go with a 12 Falcon 50 or a 12 Nighthawk 75 both are mellow speakers that will work well with overdrive and the bright nature of a Deluxe Reverb (very solid modern speakers)

The EM Legend 1258!!!! Awesome speaker and a soundman's wet dream. Clear as a bell, Shallow in depth, hard in the Presence. Very easy to mic, and stands out in a band mix as few speaker can. It's deceptive.. cause one on one it doesn't seem that way, but listen to it in in a live context, you can't help to say "Nice!".

I'd use the amp as intended & probably stick to the Jensen C12K cause it's a great middle ground speaker (handles Overdrive well and still gives that classic Fender tonality. Although I'd be eyeballing a Jensen C12Q, P12Q or the Em Legend 1258.

(This message was last edited by pcalu at 02:38 PM, Feb 16th, 2019)

slider313

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Feb 16th, 2019 01:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

Weber makes a DT12 with a 20 oz. magnet, but it doesn't sound like the old Oxford 12K5-6. What you could do is; ask Weber to install the 12F150 "W" cone with a 50 watt voice coil on the DT12's frame. That's what I would do if I wanted to get close to the Oxford 12K5 tone. FYI, I'm using a '55 Jensen P12N reconed with that "12W" cone and 50 watt voice coil in my original '65.

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Feb 16th, 2019 01:14 PM   Edit   Profile  

I won't say I don't like the C12K, it's just that I noticed the older amp having a lot more mids. The circuit and bias can make some difference but I assumed it was mostly speaker, and since you can't go out and buy a brand new Oxford afaik then I wondered what else from today would get you there.

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Feb 16th, 2019 01:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

I’ll echo the Nighthawk.









That sounds like a great album name.

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Feb 18th, 2019 09:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have a WGS G12C in my Deluxe Rev. It adds weight but not too bad. Sounds great.

jesse1d

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Mar 5th, 2019 09:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have a DRRI with a Jenson C12K speaker. When new I broke it in playing bass guitar through it for a month. I love the guitar sound with this speaker and don't understand why so many change it. Anyway, as you know the DRRI has no mid control but the is a resistor I believe linked to the bass pot which affects midrange. Change that 40 cent part to increase the mids. The amp gurus here likely could pinpoint the exact location on the schematic. Might be a cheaper/better solution.

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Mar 12th, 2019 02:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

Here's a video with a '66 vs a reissue. As far as I can tell on the OT and tubes were replaced on the '66.

BF DRRI '66 vs resissue.

DrKev

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Mar 12th, 2019 02:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

Here's a '67 vs a RI. Try to guess which is which.

'67 vs resissue. Guess which is which

(This message was last edited by DrKev at 04:47 PM, Mar 12th, 2019)

pcalu

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Mar 12th, 2019 08:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

Been saying for years that Modern PCB Fenders sound a little different but as good as the vintage. (I own both...)

Some of what get's attention on gear forums is just junk. Hack I says "XYZ" Hack II repeats it as gospel. (sometimes years later)




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THE LOW END OF UPPER TEJAS
Mar 22nd, 2019 10:23 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have 2 Eminence Legend 1258's in my Fender amp and really like them. Great speaker

BTW: Antique Electronics and Amplified Parts are one in the same.

(This message was last edited by Bubbalou at 12:33 PM, Mar 22nd, 2019)

pcalu

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Mar 23rd, 2019 07:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

The Eminence Legend 1258 is a sound man's wet dream.

That speaker was designed for a live setting.

The depth of 1258s are shallow or dry (depending on how you look at it) Resulting in an added clarity in a band mix.

Very underrated speaker. I have a 2x12 cab with them and I use it often at outdoors gigs

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Apr 3rd, 2019 11:33 AM   Edit   Profile  

pcalu, Never thought of them as shallow and dry but then again I use a little reverb ;)

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