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FDP Forum / The Chop Shop / Does the drummer on Deep Purple's Machinehead album " swing" it

windmill
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Mar 16th, 2019 07:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

Have been listening to a bit of Machinehead era Deep Purple lately and it still sounds good to me.

In my relentless quest for knowledge I would like to know if Ian Paice,the drummer, "swing".

And is that part of the reason for the the group's success ?

thanks

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Just beyond Mars

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Mar 18th, 2019 08:10 AM   Edit   Profile  

If you're referring to Paice's ability to play a shuffle--absolutely. But it's not just that...he was very capable of playing simple grooves as well as technical stuff. Most great drummers are capable of being very subtle or kicking down the walls.

He's part of the reason for the band's success because he used dynamics to great effect. "Swing" is a small piece of that.

ejm

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Mar 18th, 2019 10:16 AM   Edit   Profile  

I remember Ritchie Blackmore saying one time that on some nights, when he needed to get some inspiration, he'd turn around and watch Ian Paice.

I have never seen Depp Purple. I was watching a video some time ago, maybe a segment in the Ritchie Blackmore Story, and it suddenly hit me as to just how good Ian Paice was/is. Hearing him is one thing, but actually watching him, there was something about it.


firebird6024

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Mar 18th, 2019 10:18 AM   Edit   Profile  

Pace is the Real Deal Badass drummmer

Listen to the Song "Burn"

Dolemite

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Mar 18th, 2019 10:25 AM   Edit   Profile  

I saw DP at Pirates World in 1970(?).. I could have watched him and Jon Lord (Hammond + wall o’Marshalls) and you could have sent the rest of the band home. And I’m a huge Blackmore fan.

He has jazz chops out the wazoo, that’s a big part of their sound for my money.

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Just beyond Mars

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Mar 18th, 2019 10:29 AM   Edit   Profile  

Many of the drummers from the original classic rock period, e.g., Mitch Mitchell (JHE), Ginger Baker (Cream), etc., came from jazz roots. Paice was from that club.

gdw3

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Mar 18th, 2019 03:19 PM   Edit   Profile  

Definitely one of my drum heroes. I don't know if I'd call it "swing" so much as dynamics and feel. He could groove and still be heavy. Swing to me implies an intentionally uneven pulse. You listen to something like Smoke o/t Water or Highway Star, those 8th and/or 16th notes are pretty even.

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Mar 18th, 2019 04:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

I was listening to Pictures of Home when I thought of it.



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Just beyond Mars

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Mar 18th, 2019 04:32 PM   Edit   Profile  

His hat work certainly implies a swing/shuffle feel on that tune.

gdw3

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Mar 19th, 2019 12:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

Ah, I do hear that. Cool. So, here's my nerdy theory analysis:

If I were picky, I'd call that hi-hat rhythm more like a boogie-woogie pattern than swing. Very similar, but the boogie pattern is more strictly a dotted note followed by its companion (say, a 16th note) to make the whole beat. A swing is less strict in the exact note lengths of the pattern. Again, almost exactly the same, but the swing flows a bit more. Ian Paice is on my Mt. Rushmore of drummers, but what he's playing is a little more stiff. But that's the style. Ultimately it has its roots in jazz, so, it's all from the same source!

(This message was last edited by gdw3 at 02:08 PM, Mar 19th, 2019)

Te 52

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Mar 19th, 2019 03:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

In 'Pictures of Home,' I would say he's definitely playing swing eighths.

Swing eighths with 100% swing can be accurately notated as eighths note triplets with the first two eighths tied together, or as a quarter note followed by an eighth note in 12/8 time.
But in practice, the faster the tempo, the closer swing eighths are usually played to straight eighths.

The more sophisticated notation programs like Finale let you adjust the percent of swing on playback, anywhere from zero % to 100%, and it's interesting to write a few phrases and listen to the difference in feel when they are played back with varying percentages of swing.

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