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FDP Forum / The Gretsch Forum / The great Gretsch Pickup mystery

blackstrat

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Mar 19th, 2019 09:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

Back again with a pickup question.....

I was told by somone that I considered an authority on Gretsch guitars that the Black Top Broadtron pickups on the 2019 Electromatic Jet G5220, is nothing more than a humbucker disguised as a Filtron style pickup with a metal cage around it.

I was told if I were to purchase replacement, boutique pickups that I would also have to also buy new pickup rings. I know the original pickups have 3-adjustment screws, but I was told the big issue is that the rings are too big for real filtron style pickups, which are smaller than what’s presently in the guitar......Is this a true statement?

(This message was last edited by blackstrat at 11:33 PM, Mar 19th, 2019)

Leftee
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Mar 20th, 2019 06:54 AM   Edit   Profile  

A friend recently changed out the Broadtrons for Filtertrons is his 5220. Yes, he needed new rings. He did say the screws lined up.

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 08:57 AM, Mar 20th, 2019)

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Mar 20th, 2019 07:54 AM   Edit   Profile  

Yes, that is true.

A Filtertron is a different length and width than a standard humbucker. It also does not match a P90 or a mini humbucker.

There is no other pickup style that matches the Gretsch Filtertron and its derivatives. Also, traditional Filtertrons are a lot like dog-ear P90s in that they have no facility for height adjustment. If you want to suspend a Filtertron on the typical screws and springs in a pickup bezel, you need to add a bar across the bottom of the pickup with a threaded hole at each end to accept the suspension screws. You attach that bar with the two screws normally used to attach the pickup to the body of a guitar that go through each end of the pickup.

Because of this, most Filtertron bezels are not drilled on each end for the suspension screws; they have only the four mounting screws (one in each corner).

Filtertron bezel

Achase4u
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Mar 20th, 2019 10:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

I've fashioned those height adjust bars for Filters out of vulcanized fiber and Garolite Fr4. I like the Fr4 best. Just don't breath in the dust.

I need to just have a bunch lasered for my Filtertron enthusiast pals.

Filtertrons are very unique pickups. Great sound. They have the smallest bobbin for wire I have come across in traditional designs. Much, much smaller than a PAF humbucker. The coils can get closer together because of this, with string sensing screws also being closer which changes the sound.

I think you can fit about half the wire on a Filter that you can on a PAF bobbin. 4.5k fits comfortably on a single PAF bucker bobbin, and 4.5k is the total output of a Filtertron wound in series. So you get a little over 2k per bobbin.

What a sound, though.


I have my own question for Gen-oh.

If I get this 5230T Jet electromatic, can I fit Dynasonics in it? Does TV make some that fit?

Gretsch Jet

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Just beyond Mars

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Mar 20th, 2019 12:33 PM   Edit   Profile  

Dynasonics are direct-mount like Filtertrons are, so there would need to be some adapting to make 'em work in that Jet.

I think TV Jones makes his own version of the Dynasonic that might fit that tho.

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Mar 20th, 2019 12:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

Look here: these require a spacer to get them to the correct height for the application.

Dynasonic/DeArmond 2K

Achase4u
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Mar 20th, 2019 01:51 PM   Edit   Profile  

Perfect!

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Mar 20th, 2019 01:58 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'll be happy to do the work for you if you are nerviss about poking holes in a new guitar :o)

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Mar 20th, 2019 04:52 PM   Edit   Profile  

Ohhhhhh my! I may take you up on that! Thank you! I will let you know if one of these makes it's way to my place :)

blackstrat

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Mar 21st, 2019 05:24 PM   Edit   Profile  

I got a set of TV Jones - Classic Neck/ Classic Plus Bridge ... I hope they get here tomorrow (I love in NJ and they are coming from NY).

I ordered the rings too...

I already unsoldered the OEM pickups!

(This message was last edited by blackstrat at 07:26 PM, Mar 21st, 2019)

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Mar 21st, 2019 06:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm pretty sure the pickups in my Streamliner are buckers but I'm okay with it. If I ever change them, it will be Lollar Imperials.

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