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FDP Forum / The 'Pup' Tent / Treble Bleed and humbuckers

blackstrat

USA

Mar 24th, 2019 07:42 PM   Edit   Profile  

I bought a few treble bleeds from a pickup maker. It’s the setup kinman uses...believe its .0012mf cap and 130K resister which works well on my Strats.

I was wondering if it will it work on 5ooK pots with humbuckers? Anyone ever try it?

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Just beyond Mars

there's a world of fools
Mar 25th, 2019 01:34 PM   Edit   Profile  

I use a .001uf cap on most all my humbucker guitars. It sounds shrill when rolled off and played by itself, but in a band situation it works really well.

Consider this:

Play a gig with a group and dial in your tone so it cuts through and sounds good in a band situation.

Get home and listen to those settings, and they are usually pretty harsh sounding when it's just you, the guitar, and the amp.

That's how I approach this stuff. It's what works for me and the amps I use.

DrKev

Paris, France

It's just a guitar, not rocket science.
Mar 25th, 2019 03:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

Kinman usually suggests a series resistor with the cap, which has the advantage of not affecting the taper of the volume pot (nor does a cap on it's own) but tonally a parallel resistor works better (IMO) but at the expense of a somewhat modified volume pot taper (slower turn off from 10 to 7, faster from 4 to 1). Those values of 1.2nF and 130kΩ will work fine in parallel. And you may love it in series too, feel freee to try!

Personally, my current choice (on a HSS guitar) is a 540pF cap with 150kΩ parallel resistor.

Your mileage will vary with length of cable and imput impedence of amp or pedal.

(This message was last edited by DrKev at 05:12 PM, Mar 25th, 2019)

mrfix

canada

Apr 8th, 2019 04:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

With the treble mod on two volome controls, they can interfere with each other in the middle switch position

mrfix

canada

Apr 8th, 2019 04:25 PM   Edit   Profile  

(This message was last edited by mrfix at 06:25 PM, Apr 8th, 2019)

gdw3

LA-la-land, CA

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Apr 8th, 2019 05:00 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm not an electronics expert, but in my experience, treble bleed kits that work well for Strats (single coils) are going to sound different for humbuckers. As said above, the values for the components should not be the same.

DrKev

Paris, France

It's just a guitar, not rocket science.
Apr 9th, 2019 05:23 AM   Edit   Profile  

In the circuit simulations I've done it makes no real difference whether you have humbuckers or single coils, the cable capacitance is the important feature (It is afterall the cable capacitance that causes the problem in the first place). In fact some people will can get away without using a treble bleed mod just by changing to a short low capacitance cable, especially if you have buffered pedal at the beginning of the effects chain.


In my real world experience with my own guitars, if it works for singles, it work just fine for humbuckers too.


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