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littleuch
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May 26th, 2019 09:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

First I'll say that I support Performance Rights Organizations and am a member of BMI. I'm not focusing on discussing the playing of covers in a bar. I'm talking about a schmoe such as myself who writes his own stuff and posts it on places like Bandcamp, Audiomack, etc. But occasionally I want to do a cover and share with friends. No mechanism for payment to me involved. I'm the 9 year old shredder on YouTube playing (pick your cover), .... without the ambition of going viral.

I downloaded a cover tune to YouTube, in private mode, to share with a closed group of friends. In minutes it was gone. Happened twice.

Is it becoming more governed or am I missing that the 3 year old drum prodigy playing a Rush tune is actually paying a licensing fee? Are the fees for this kind of licensing nominal?



walshb
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May 26th, 2019 10:00 AM   Edit   Profile  

I've always thought you just had to mention in the notes that you didn't have the rights to the song and that you were just doing a cover, or something to that effect. Seems like I've seen that, many many times.

Example

littleuch
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May 26th, 2019 10:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

The linked example is available for purchase and specifies licensing.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 12:07 PM, May 26th, 2019)

littleuch
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May 26th, 2019 10:14 AM   Edit   Profile  

(Alexa): "Betsy, I noticed you were humming an Adele song while sorting laundry. Your linked bank account has been debited and the appropriate PRO licensing organization paid"

:-/



walshb
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May 26th, 2019 10:31 AM   Edit   Profile  

It's still a cover song, posted on Youtube. But, I did notice that most of the covers are listing the song, the album, the writers, etc. Is that all you have to do?

Beatles cover

(This message was last edited by walshb at 12:44 PM, May 26th, 2019)

littleuch
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May 26th, 2019 02:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

This could have been user error on my part. In the process of loading the video I marked it as private, which is apparently a useless selection, lol.

Juice Nichols

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May 28th, 2019 08:35 AM   Edit   Profile  

YouTube has been getting pretty particular about streaming copywrited material. There are a few people I follow on YT that have that problem all the time. If you ever watch any of Rick Beato's videos of "What Makes This Song Great", he gets stuff yanked all the time. Some artists are more tenacious than others when it comes to this.

walshb
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May 28th, 2019 11:55 AM   Edit   Profile  

I had one video removed years ago, it was a video of baby wrens leaving a birdhouse. I had "One Way Out" by the Allman Bros playing in the background. ;)
Back then they didn't catch them as quickly, but it did get taken down.

(This message was last edited by walshb at 01:56 PM, May 28th, 2019)

littleuch
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May 28th, 2019 12:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

I found an embedded and tedious process of searching for specific songs and their stipulations for usage as a cover song on YouTube. For the most part most artists seem to allow it as long as "cover" is specified and attribution is given to the writer(s). Its an interesting thing; I recently migrated all my works to Audiomack from Bandcamp. I had a list of cover songs on Bandcamp in an "album" called "groovy covers". I wasn't sure of Audiomacks policy and did a mass upload which also unintentionally included a goof half minute thing I did with "Wandering Star" by Lee Marvin. I had a bad cold and capitalized on my whacked out vocal cords. I had skimmed the intro of the actual music and used it for my verse. All this was to share with family and friends, not look for public consumption.

Audiomack flagged and pulled it in a New York minute. This told me they must have some software that can scan and match uploads of copyrighted material against the original piece.

My wife works in technology for a nonprofit and one of their news releases included a PDF compiled by various contributors. One of them created a collage of images and included a tiny portion (like a corner) of an image they didn't pay a licensing fee for. It was found by a watchdog organization representing the company (could have been Getty Images, can't remember) and they were shaken down for a pretty stark sum.

Interesting process using technology.

5Strats
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May 28th, 2019 01:37 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'm an ASCAP member and play and record original music exclusively.

However, this crackdown seems too broad. Shouldn't you be able to have lessons on how to play well known, copyrighted songs? Most covers that are posted on YT are benign, as far as generating profit.

ALSO - I make such little money through the streaming of my original songs ($0.01 is the typical payment per stream), yet the music industry is once again earning massive profits and seems to be focusing on the wrong things (i.e., let's turn the little guy upside down and see if any money falls out).

(This message was last edited by 5Strats at 03:40 PM, May 28th, 2019)

TieDyedDevil
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Jul 2nd, 2019 11:00 AM   Edit   Profile  

"But occasionally I want to do a cover and share with friends. No mechanism for payment to me involved."

"Is it becoming more governed or am I missing that the 3 year old drum prodigy playing a Rush tune is actually paying a licensing fee? Are the fees for this kind of licensing nominal?"

The flip side of this is: "Supposing I want to record a cover tune and put it up on a streaming service: what's the protocol to pay royalties on that tune?"

We know how to do that when we publish covers on a physical medium: just look up the Harry Fox agency on the web; they'll ask you how many copies and tell you how much it'll cost you and where to send the payment.

When I last looked into streaming (about five years ago) there was no corresponding process to "do the right thing" w.r.t. payments from an individual artist who has recorded a cover tune.

My best guess is that licensing tunes for streaming is done in bulk. We read about services acquiring the rights from labels to stream entire catalogs. I've *never* seen any mechanism comparable to the statutory mechanicals license for physical media, and I've looked (and still do, from time to time).

As a result, I've simply opted out of publishing covers. I don't want to have some streaming service arbitrarily take down a tune for which I'd gladly pay a statutory streaming fee, if there was such thing.

I get the impression that the current situation benefits only the big streaming services. Listen to Rick Beato's rants about "de-monetizing" covers. The annoying thing about "de-monetizing" is that there's still monetization; it just goes to the streaming service (which, I'm absolutely certain, dutifully pays the artist... not).

Juice Nichols
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Jul 2nd, 2019 12:06 PM   Edit   Profile  

The church that I run FOH has licensing rights to perform and broadcast all of the songs that are played during the course of a service. We still got put in FB jail for a month because you could hear the preservice music that we play through the house. This egregious act consisted of about 20-30 seconds of music right before we brought the music down for the start of the service. We now don’t go live until the start of the service now so we don’t inadvertently broadcast someone else’s music.

I’ve also used Harry Fox agency to purchase a license for digital download of a cover song that a band I was in recorded. If I remember correctly the cost of the license was determined by stating how many downloads, if you were going to print physical copies, stream, etc.. I remember physical copies being most expensive of the options.

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