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FDP Forum / Guitar Mods, Repairs, and Projects / Little wang-bar springy thingy...

Mick Reid
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Jul 10th, 2019 12:18 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have Squier Deluxe Strat (great guitar btw) that is my one strat set up for vibrato.

I have no desire to change the bridge to a pop-in for the bar, but I have some of those little tensioner springs that go inside the threaded hole.

They work pretty well for keeping the bar tight and lessening the abuse on the threads. The downside is when the bar is out (like in the case or no wanging going on) the spring can fall out.

I was thinking of putting a dab of silicone down in the hole and pushing the spring into it to "glue" the spring in place.

Wud-a-ya reckon?


littleuch
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Jul 10th, 2019 04:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

Vaseline is what I've most commonly heard used.

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 07:14 AM, Jul 10th, 2019)

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Jul 10th, 2019 06:41 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Would ya please pass the jelly?"

*GASP*

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If irritation occurs

discontinue use.
Jul 10th, 2019 06:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

Allfruit Alert:

WOOT!

Peegoo
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If irritation occurs

discontinue use.
Jul 10th, 2019 06:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

Vaseline or other 'clean' grease will keep the spring in there. Before you do that, remove the bridge from the guitar and hold it upside down as you blast some WD40 or other aerosol cleaner into the threaded hole, using the little red snorkel tube.

The threaded holes in these bridges are full of metal chips from the threading process and that is why they're so crunchy and why the bar gets loose over time.

Blowing it out with air alone rarely gets the stuff out. Use a few blasts of solvent, followed by air. It also helps to use a stiff wire (paper clip, etc.) to help loosen the chips packed in there.

ejm

usa

Jul 10th, 2019 10:07 AM   Edit   Profile  

Just curious: Why do you remove the bar?
Have you tried leaving it on in the case?

I have a few Strats, and I never remove the bars. No need to do so.

With some cases, if you rotate the bar so that it's pointing over the jack, the lid will close just fine.

I have another non-Fender case that won't do that. I merely rotate the bar so that it's over the strings and close the lid.
Yes, it depresses the bar somewhat, but I haven't had any problems yet.

I wish that Fender and other companies would make their cases like Music Man. They have an "indentation" or cut out or recessed area over the strings/pickups that lets you leave the bar on.

I also do not use the trem bar tension springs. I use a few wraps of plumbers tape around the bar. Either way will work fine, though.


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Jul 10th, 2019 11:04 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have an older generation fender case and it will not close properly with the bar in, so I have to take it out all the time.

Mick Reid
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Jul 11th, 2019 05:02 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Just curious: Why do you remove the bar?
Have you tried leaving it on in the case?"

I remove the bar because I don't use it all the time and even if I move it out of the way, it's not really out of the way. (at least to me)

I hadn't tried fitting in the case with it on, but did just now and it actually fit quite well in its SKB case. (most of my cases are SKB)


So it would seem a resounding 'no' on the silicone idea, eh?

If 'no', why?


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Jul 11th, 2019 07:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

You could do the silicone thing. You could probably coat the spring in silicone and put in in there, and then use a Q-tip to clean up the internal threads.

That may be a really good solution. Good i-deer!

ejm

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Jul 11th, 2019 10:49 AM   Edit   Profile  

Sharkie: I don't know what era your case is from.

I have one friend with a case that is at least pre 1974. It's a black case with the Fender logo on it.

Another buddy has a real 1963 brown case, no logo, that came with his Strat originally. (Yep.)

Both of them rotate the arm so that it's pointing down, over the jack plate, and close the cases. No problems.


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Jul 11th, 2019 11:41 AM   Edit   Profile  

ejm:

The Strat case I’m using came with the 2004 American Series Strat I purchased. Not the best case but it’s solid enough for gigging. If I rotate the arm down so it’s pointing over the jack plate, the tip of the arm is sticking outside the case. Don’t get me wrong, I can move arm around until the case will close, it’s just I’m forcing it to close with a fair amount of pressure.

YMMV.



Mick Reid
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Jul 11th, 2019 04:10 PM   Edit   Profile  

"You could do the silicone thing. You could probably coat the spring in silicone and put in in there, and then use a Q-tip to clean up the internal threads."

That's pretty much how I saw it in my head...



right next to some really scaaaaaaaary stuff...

but we won't go there!


macatt

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Jul 18th, 2019 02:56 PM   Edit   Profile  

The little spring will let you keep the bar in whatever position you leave but it won't fix the annoying sloppiness or reduce the stress and weakening at the top threads.

A press-in type is far superior.
Get a good one like a Wilkinson made by Gotoh. There are others.
Don't get the cheap licenced Wilkinson. The tension set screw will strip out.

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Jul 18th, 2019 03:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

LOL @ some of the posts in this thread!

Mick Reid
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Jul 18th, 2019 04:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

@macatt
Yes, the pop-in ones are a much better design, and if I was a regular vibrato bar user, I would switch.

However, I'm only an occasional user (still talking about vibrato here ;^) so I can't justify the cost or effort to do so.

And contrary to what you said about the spring not reducing the sloppiness and wear, my experience has not been so. With the spring in there, I get very little to no "wiggle".

This may be due to the threads on each part being brand new and never having been subjected to that lateral movement. Time may prove me wrong, but I think for the amount I use the bar it's just fine.

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 06:43 PM, Jul 18th, 2019)

ejm

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Jul 19th, 2019 08:43 AM   Edit   Profile  

To add to what macatt said: The teflon tape will fix the wiggle problem.

It might eventually wear down, at which point you re-tape it.

One little roll of that tape for about $1 will last you and ten other guitar players about ten lifetimes each.


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