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willie

Too Near Atlanta GA

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Jul 16th, 2019 02:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

Agree with Peegoo ...far to subjective...the variables are too many.

For the record, if there was such a thing as a perfect guitar..at least for me (not surprising) it's an ES-335...various vintages.

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Laker
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Jul 16th, 2019 02:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

Me being an old guy and going back nearly 60 years as a professional player, I always liked the JBL D130/120/140 speakers I started with and all the alphabetic iterations that came after them.


Laker
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Jul 16th, 2019 02:31 PM   Edit   Profile  

oops, double post.

(This message was last edited by Laker at 04:32 PM, Jul 16th, 2019)

archiestone
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El Californio

Jul 16th, 2019 02:52 PM   Edit   Profile  

For those who like a *cheap* but exc alternative, I found a ridiculously low priced speaker I bought just to put in an amp to sell but ended up keeping the spkr due to it's sounding so good -- clean or crunchy.
It's a 12" 8 ohm Celestion Rocket. $50 new, free shipping!
(no affiliation with Celestion or amazon)

$50 - read the reviews

reverendrob
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& hath no need of thee.
Jul 16th, 2019 04:05 PM   Edit   Profile  

The Celestion Rockets are acceptable for characterless monsters that work - they're in the Mustang V 4x12 and do the job. Amp sounds like it should and takes relative abuse (Bass VI, mostly).

pcalu

usa Thumb area Mi

Jul 16th, 2019 06:02 PM   Edit   Profile  

On the side of No perfect speaker

Yet... I do love American seamed coned speakers.

Going to give props to Bubbalou. Huge fan of Em's Legend 1258.

Totally agree with Reverendrob on Celstions in Fenders. What I can't explain is... I don't think Celestions in Fenders sound bad. Often they sound great. But being an American speaker tone junkie, Celestions in Fenders (in general) sound too rich. (if that makes sense) Analogy: you like Pepsi and haven't had a Coke for a long time and someone hands you one. One sip and "Damn that's too sweet!" The same thing when I hear a Celestion in a Fender (in a tonal sense) I totally see it and get why people like British style speakers in Fenders... just not my style.

(This message was last edited by pcalu at 08:09 PM, Jul 16th, 2019)

archiestone
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El Californio

Jul 16th, 2019 06:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

"...and do the job."

My point, exactly.

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North Florida

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Jul 17th, 2019 11:20 AM   Edit   Profile  

I’m not so picky. When I’ve put amps together or restored the old Vibro Champ I used Weber. Mostly I play bass and acoustic guitar. When I do play the electric it’s the American Standard Tele into the Vibro Champ.

For the bass it’s not so much the manufacture as it is the size and specs. I prefer 10” speakers for bass. I have an old SWR Goliath 4X10” (David Eden), a beast I keep at the rehearsal studio along with the old SWR Studio 220 head,, a 2X10” SWR with neodymiums @ 45lbs, and a 15” Hartke, that is rarely used anymore, I got it for the outdoor gigs we did frequently in Miami. I mix and match them depending on how much power I want out of the GK Shuttle 9.0

Leftee
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The Escalator
Jul 17th, 2019 11:26 AM   Edit   Profile  

I find that, more to the point, I have perfect speakers for particular amps. I have a Marshall vertical 2x12 with a pair of Jensen Jets Nighthawks installed. I use my Mesa Reco-o-verb Head with that can and the tones just kill.

RainboGuy

USA/Wisconsin

Ike Turner is my guitar hero!
Jul 19th, 2019 08:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

Nope.

No such thing as a perfect speaker for any and all musical genres and dynamics. Sorry. Ain't gonna happen, in my opinion.

Having said that, and being, essentially and for the most part, a Blues/Blues Rock/ Rock kinda guy that tends to favor Fender Blackface and Tweed Amps, and has "That Sound" pretty well fixed inside my brain, I will say this:

The Eminence Cannabis Rex speaker is THE BEST 12 inch replacement speaker I have ever put in any of my Fender Amps. Period.

Actually, in use, it's kinda hard to explain, but it's almost "invisible"...

The WORST thing a guitar speaker can do, in my opinion is to unfavorably color up the sound of your expensive/not-so-expensive guitar and amp combination so that it gets all mucked up and sucky-sounding.

I like my 2nd and 3rd order harmonics, bottom and top ends to chime through, and if the tone needs to be dirtied up, I will use the right pedal for the job.

Eminence uses Tone Tubby-Made hemp speakers in the Cannabis Rex.....they're Eric Clapton's And Carlos Santana's Favorite speakers.......

Check the link for more information....

Cannabis Rex

Leftee
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The Escalator
Jul 19th, 2019 08:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

I expect coloration from a guitar speaker. The “right” coloration (for my ears) is what I choose. (-;

Te 52

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Jul 19th, 2019 10:20 AM   Edit   Profile  

No such thing as a perfect speaker, but everyone can have a favorite speaker.

There, no more controversy.

Leftee
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The Escalator
Jul 19th, 2019 10:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

Ta daaaaaaa!

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littleuch
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Florida

Itchy finger on the outrage trigger
Jul 19th, 2019 03:07 PM   Edit   Profile  

These kinds of threads always remind me of the old Playboy best guitarist polls. It might fall something like this:

1) Eric Clapton
2) George Harrison
3) Jimi Hendrix
4) Django Reinhardt


It's always fun, but you can't lose focus on the subjectivity of the matter.

DanL

Northern CT - USA

"We're not University material."
Aug 9th, 2019 07:21 PM   Edit   Profile  

I have a shelf that's filled with about 12 boxes with 12" speakers inside that I thought would sound good with one of my amps. Good speakers but just didn't work for some reason. I find it very very hard to find the right speaker for a lot of my open back combo amps. There is no formula to follow. It's just trial and error.

I will say this though, I have 5 closed back cabs in various configs, and there's at least one Celestion Vintage 30 spkr in every one of those cabs. I'm a HUGE fan of V30s in closed back cabs!

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About as ordinary as you can get.
Aug 9th, 2019 07:41 PM   Edit   Profile  

Remember, no one in the audience will know the difference and I'll guarantee you there will never be anyone in the audience who will say, "sure hate that Eminence in that amp. He should have gone with Celestion".

pcalu

usa Thumb area Mi

Aug 10th, 2019 08:47 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Remember, no one in the audience will know the difference and I'll guarantee you there will never be anyone in the audience who will say, "sure hate that Eminence in that amp. He should have gone with Celestion". by BbendFender

+1 so true, so true.





littleuch
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Itchy finger on the outrage trigger
Aug 10th, 2019 08:52 AM   Edit   Profile  

Me and Eric Johnson, we'd know. Oh yeah, we'd know the difference.

:-p



Doc Sarvis
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Tuned Strings and Tight Lines
Aug 10th, 2019 09:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

The vintage Jensen C10N is my favorite for Fender BF amps but I love Celestion Blue and Gold speakers and maintain 2x cabs loaded with 10” and 12” Golds respectively and 1x12” loaded with a Blue. For my taste the Celestions work with everything. This, after test driving most major speakers over a period of fifteen years.

pcalu

usa Thumb area Mi

Aug 10th, 2019 12:20 PM   Edit   Profile  

Two speakers, I use the most, some people definitely don't consider "Perfect" but for me, in many ways they are. It's subjective, and that's that... we all like different things.

Over the years I've grown quite fond of the Jensen RI C12N and the Em Legend 125. Nothing special for sure. But very definitive American and Fender'ish.

I suppose the following goes for all speakers;

Pummel the heck out of a Jensen Ris C12N and the resonance frequency drops by 10%. Same goes for the EM Legend 125. Well broken in they both smooth out real nice, yet still have a lot of detail.

Yes, I've heard better speakers

That said those two-speaker "resonance frequency wise" sit extremely well in a band mix, where I'm not competing with the bass, keyboards or horns.

Being a firm believer of what BbendFender said above... Those two speakers for myself are close to perfect (i,e, due to their characteristics tonally and where they sit in a band mix)



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