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BrentD
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Jul 18th, 2019 11:09 AM   Edit   Profile  

No tubes to maintain, solid pine cabs, lightweight. Videos sound pretty good. If they really pack the right wallop they might be great.

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Joe Potts
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Jul 18th, 2019 01:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

I just saw these in an email from Fender. Definitely look interesting. Half the weight of the original tube amp - sounds good to me! That is, assuming they sound good...

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Jul 18th, 2019 01:36 PM   Edit   Profile  

Even modern *all-analog* non-tube amps are sounding so much like their tube ancestors--it's a wash as far as I am concerned.

I embrace the lighter weight and nothing-to-wear-out reliable construction. Class-D power supplies are so much more efficient; they produce less heat than traditional power transformers, and that alone makes the components in the chassis last a whole lot longer.

I hope these are a hit for Fender.

BrentD
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Jul 18th, 2019 01:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

^ Me too. Anderton's has already done a shootout. I did have preferences, but they weren't always tube. I think they're really close!

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pcalu

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Jul 18th, 2019 08:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

Too much of a purest to change.

It's coming though I know it. I.e the day these SS amps will be the norm and the tube the minority.


Te 52

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Jul 18th, 2019 10:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

It's an intriguing idea. My big gripe about so many digital devices is that, since adding features often just entails writing extra software, they pile on extra after extra until the user interface becomes so complex as to be nearly incomprehensible.

This is a bold step away from that approach.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 12:13 AM, Jul 19th, 2019)

reverend mikey
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Jul 18th, 2019 10:18 PM   Edit   Profile  

Um...shouldn't they also be about half the price of a tube amp? These seem to be about the same price as their tube counterparts. What's up with that?

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Jul 18th, 2019 10:49 PM   Edit   Profile  

I also think they are pricey.

(This message was last edited by Leftee at 09:30 AM, Jul 19th, 2019)

Te 52

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Jul 19th, 2019 11:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

What's not clear to me is whether these achieve what I think a *lot* of players would like: The tone you get from a cranked amp in an isolation cabinet, mic'ed, with the sound piped out to a monitor so the user can hear that same tone, but at bedroom levels.

With sophisticated enough DSP, there's no reason they couldn't do that -- but did they? Not clear to me if the "power level" control on the back panel delivers the effect I'm talking about.

(This message was last edited by Te 52 at 07:51 PM, Jul 19th, 2019)

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Jul 19th, 2019 02:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

The Anderton's video proves this technology is so good it's hard to tell the difference.

WOW!

But I agree: these seem a bit high priced.

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Jul 19th, 2019 06:55 PM   Edit   Profile  

Honestly, Peavey has done this well for years - except their speakers suck. Well, so says me. (-;

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Jul 19th, 2019 09:48 PM   Edit   Profile  

In the NAMM video, they used a distortion pedal to get their overdriven tones and I think the question is: does it react like a tube amp and start to break up at the expected volume settings that we are used to and if so, can you use your guitar volume to control it as you would on a tubed amp? Because they added an attenuator, can you still expect these qualities at whatever the amp is set to per the attenuator?
Now that would be awesome!!!

Te 52

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Jul 19th, 2019 09:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think somebody's going to have to go try one and report back!

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Jul 22nd, 2019 11:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

Available this September.

Progressive Kit

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Jul 22nd, 2019 01:11 PM   Edit   Profile  

Other than the light weight, I don't see the upside of getting something that emulates a tube tone of something that is already in existence ( and for nearly the price). The sound is nearly identical on the posted video (for what it's worth).


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Jul 22nd, 2019 01:54 PM   Edit   Profile  

"Other than the light weight, I don't see the upside of getting something that emulates a tube tone of something that is already in existence ( and for nearly the price). The sound is nearly identical on the posted video (for what it's worth)."

I think a digital modelling Twin Reverb that sounds, responds and looks like its tube equivalent is a great idea. The fact that it's half the weight is a big factor.

I haven't seen anything yet on the usual North American sites as far as pricing. I'm thinking that those Jensen neodymium N-12K speakers are a significant part of the cost structure as well as a large contributor to the weight reduction.

So far I haven't been able to find any vendor that sells those speakers. A friend has a 1970 Twin Reverb that weighs a ton and might benefit from these speakers if they're not too expensive.

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Jul 22nd, 2019 02:16 PM   Edit   Profile  

The Anderton's video that features both tube version of these amps and the Tone Masters versions is a must watch if you have any interest in these amps. They don't say which is which until the end of the video.

(See BrentD's link above.)

Te 52

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Jul 22nd, 2019 02:22 PM   Edit   Profile  

Halving the weight would be a huge selling point for me. That and improved life and reliability.

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Jul 24th, 2019 02:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

^

Me too. If I had a grand to throw at an amp, I’d be all over these.

I’m not saying they’re expensive, but they make a used Katana 100 for £150 look like a real bargain :-)

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Jul 24th, 2019 04:13 PM   Edit   Profile  

I'll be keeping an eye on these.
I already have a Roland Blues Cube Artist and a BOSS Nextone, the apparent simplicity of the Tone Masters is appealing.

Whilst I like both my BC and NT, I prefer the BC because it's pretty much "just an amp". No 1000 amp models with endless deep-diving capabilities.

Seems like Fender has follow that path away from the Mustangs.

FWIW, the Nextone can be plug & play like the Blues Cube, but there are some features that do require set up via computer connection.

edit -
oh, and you don't want to know what the RRp is here...

(This message was last edited by Mick Reid at 06:15 PM, Jul 24th, 2019)

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