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littleuch
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Jul 18th, 2019 07:47 PM   Edit   Profile  

Portastudio 488, DI with my old Gibson RD Standard bass. I don't have the unit anymore, but think it was Dolby C? Something about that setup, cassette tape, I loved the roundness I used to get.

This track was done on that unit back in the 90's. Alesis SR-16 drum machine. I imported the 2 track into Pro Tools and added some strings but most of the track is as mixed back then. A dark tale of a sinister man.

Into The Black

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If irritation occurs

discontinue use.
Jul 18th, 2019 08:03 PM   Edit   Profile  

Perhaps tape compression?

littleuch
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Jul 18th, 2019 08:12 PM   Edit   Profile  

Yeah, that could be. I have a number of Tape simulators but none really hit that spot. Maybe it was the RD Std Gibson, but somehow I think it was inherent to the Tascam unit/tape.

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Jul 18th, 2019 08:49 PM   Edit   Profile  

Those cassettes really had an effect. There are so many plugs now that do a great job but getting the right machine and tape type can be hard.

I'll listen in a bit and maybe have a suggestion.

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Jul 18th, 2019 09:28 PM   Edit   Profile  

Sounds good! I can hear the difference in Pro Tools era Larry vs Tascam era Larry.

Both are cool.

There are so many great tape emulators out there now. That big low end sounds like tape bump to me.

The new Tracks IK tape machines are wonderful, the UAD Studer and Ampex ATR 102 are great. U-he Satin is awesome as are others floating around out there. I have a lot of them because I like the flavors they impart.

They are good because they do 3 things all at once in a pleasing way that would take a while to do individually, and they do it in a unique way. They EQ the sound, add harmonics and add compression.

If you send me a new bass stem I'd be happy to run it through any of those if you don't already have them.

The closest thing in the Softube tape plug is probably the "B" setting which I think is an ATR 102. It has the biggest low end of the three in that software.

littleuch
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Jul 18th, 2019 09:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

I think I have to play around more with the Softube Tape B option. I usually find myself just using "A" on the master buss.

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Jul 20th, 2019 09:05 AM   Edit   Profile  

I can attest to the u-he Satin plugin. It does what it does very well and is not expensive as plugins go.

littleuch
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Jul 20th, 2019 09:19 AM   Edit   Profile  

Have you tried Softube Tape, Ken? Just curious if you have an a/b opinion.



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Jul 20th, 2019 09:55 AM   Edit   Profile  

I have not tried Softube's tape emulation. I have 2 different plugins for that. I have the u-he and also the Universal Audio Oxide plugin. I have not yet taken the opportunity to do an A/B comparison of the two. The projects I have been working on of late were recorded onto analog tape originally so there has been no need for that type of processing.

Great song Larry. I really like the chord progression.

(This message was last edited by ninworks at 12:01 PM, Jul 20th, 2019)

littleuch
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Jul 20th, 2019 10:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

Thanks Ken. It's funny how looking back at works before pitch correction capabilities make me cringe. Even my wife listening from the other room, "whoa, you gonna fix that??" Lol.

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Jul 20th, 2019 03:04 PM   Edit   Profile  

Not that I was asked, but I will chime in with my .02 on Satin vs Tape.

Satin is very, very customizable. Like, down to the asperity noise, head bump, EQ, DBX/Dolby encoding/decoding, fully variable tape speed, the whole 9. Sound wise, I find Satin to be very open. Tons of presets and options. It's kind of a Tape laboratory. You can get it to mimic pretty much any machine and tape formula out there.

Tape by softube is much more basic. To me, the C machine is the best. I think its a J37 type. They miss the real head bump and characteristics though of the different tape speeds. B has the low end bump though if you want it. A, the Studer, should really have it though, and it doesn't. Of the dozen tape plugs I use, Tape is probably used the least. It works great when it works, but it doesn't work for me most of the time.

The most "magnetic" sounding of the bunch to me is the UAD Studer a800, ATR 102, and the new IK multimedia machines.

They are all just different flavors, though.

littleuch
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Jul 20th, 2019 03:26 PM   Edit   Profile  

Your opinion is always valued Aaron. Thanks for the run down.

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Jul 20th, 2019 03:43 PM   Edit   Profile  

I just don't want to come across like a preacher :)

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Jul 20th, 2019 05:23 PM   Edit   Profile  

The 488s the tape mechanism was actually fairly colorless (at least compared to the precious gen 1 and gen 2 Tascam 4 tracks I used prior).

Preamp wasn't at all though.

The sonic difference between it and when I went digital (and it bridged that transition continuing to record jam sessions/band practice for most of that decade) was just one of minor EQing providing I didn't run it into the red.




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Jul 31st, 2019 08:53 PM   Edit   Profile  

Strymon Deco?

littleuch
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Aug 1st, 2019 05:37 AM   Edit   Profile  

Hmmm, I haven't considered a pedal as a solution. I practically gave away my old Tascam 488 after it released the magic smoke, turns out it was only a belt. I never tried using the unit as a channel strip into Pro Tools to try and replicate that bass sound.

(PS, good to see you around these parts Steve!)

(This message was last edited by littleuch at 08:24 AM, Aug 1st, 2019)

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