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Gato
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"Help, I'm a a rock": Amelia Earhart
Sep 19th, 2019 06:06 AM   Edit   Profile  

At the annual British Science Festival, the topic of alien contact came up. The question posed was, if we earthlings were unmistakably contacted by an alien civilization, what should we do in response?

Naturally, being human beings, there wasn't even consensus on how to make a decision.

Stephen Hawking said that responding to such an alien overture would be disastrous for humanity. But this was from a guy who couldn't tie his own shoes.

Was he putting too much investment in how people in the past have dealt with civilizations to which they are technologically superior? (Conquer, plunder, enslave, annihilate)

Should we keep our heads down?

Assuming some global commission decided against answering ET's knock on the door, there are just too many renegade billionaires on the planet now, with the wherewithal to answer for all of us: "Come on down! We make great BBQ!"

After having hit "send," the billionaire awakens in the middle of the night, realizing that "we make great BBQ" could be horribly misinterpreted. ("How to Serve Man")

ET

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Press On Irregardless
Sep 19th, 2019 06:24 AM   Edit   Profile  

Let's just say I read the thread title differently and forget about my "I don't wear boxers" comment...

(This message was last edited by Gene from Tampa at 08:24 AM, Sep 19th, 2019)

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Sep 19th, 2019 06:32 AM   Edit   Profile  

I think it's impossible for our kind to conceptualize an alien entity without looking through Earth colored glasses. We may have faith that "they" are God's creatures and thus instilled with a sense of right and wrong, pure and evil. Even as atheists we've still been conditioned to the scriptures of laws and doctrines. "Their" contact could be so surreal to us that, who knows, maybe we are already in contact and just dont realize.

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Sep 19th, 2019 07:03 AM   Edit   Profile  

It's an exercise in imagination, because that's where it will stay. We should be focusing on how we as varied cultures respond to each other--because that is the most pressing issue when it comes to "aliens." We humans cannot decide how to respond to one another in this dinky little backwater of a planet. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

I have no doubt whatsoever intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe. However, distances are so vast that the chances of us (or them) ever making contact with another form of intelligent life is slim to the point of completely improbable.

It's a whole lot easier for most people to deal with imaginary problems than it is the real ones.

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"Help, I'm a a rock": Amelia Earhart
Sep 19th, 2019 08:15 AM   Edit   Profile  

In the old sci fi movies, we would land on some alien world, and assume that the natives we encountered were representative of the whole species.

Imagine the opposite encounter with an extraterrestrial drawing the same conclusion after landing at:

New York City
Sahara Desert
Mecca
Vatican City
Amazon Jungle
The Arctic
The Valley of the Kings (Egypt)


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Sep 19th, 2019 08:21 AM   Edit   Profile  

The question and response serves to indicate if you believe that their is universal spirituality, a God, or that life is a totally random and chaotic event.

In our experience the explorers reaching out to undiscovered civilizations were more about conquest and destruction than any kind of benevolent purpose, even though it was often cloaked as bringing the word of God to the pagans, the results of which served to destroy or severely diminish the invaded cultures.

It’s a great discussion. Fundamentally it seems to me that we are dived by degrees of good and evil. Those that are loving of others and benevolent tend to take care of family, friends even strangers, others are focused on how to improve or gain wealth and lands, which often seem to never be enough. Like I said by degrees. The most reverent and spiritual can be driven to pick up the sword, the most self centered can occasionally feel compassion.

The question boils down to whether you believe one or the other is universal in the evolution of intelligent life or if this mix of good and evil is, or neither one is and intelligent live is guided only by evolution and environment.

We kind of understand our evolutionary line of accent, we are still basically like the previous creatures our ancestors are/have been. On other planets the evolutionary pressures and environments could select for much different characteristics. With out some kind of benevolent force for good or evil being part of the fabric of space/time it’s a total crap shoot.

My opinion to the question is keep a low profile until we understand either how intelligence evolves, what forces are part of that evolution and if their is a quantified universal benevolent force affecting all of creation. I wouldn’t be sending out information about us, or trying to initiate first contact until we were much more prepared for what is essentially unknowable. It’s highly more likely that we will be contacted first. It’s unknowable whether we will be accepted as a peer or as lunch.


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Sep 19th, 2019 10:30 AM   Edit   Profile  

Based on terrestrial experience, native populations don’t fare well upon being “discovered”

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Sep 19th, 2019 10:56 AM   Edit   Profile  

"Imagine the opposite encounter with an extraterrestrial drawing the same conclusion after landing at:

New York City
Sahara Desert
Mecca
Vatican City
Amazon Jungle
The Arctic
The Valley of the Kings (Egypt)"


•San Francisco
•Amsterdam
•New Guinea highlands
•Noorvik, Alaska
•Tehran
•Mogadishu, Somalia
•Skid row, Los Angeles
•Hillsborough, California
•Butcher Holler, Tennessee

Gato
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"Help, I'm a a rock": Amelia Earhart
Sep 19th, 2019 11:27 AM   Edit   Profile  

Aside from sci fi horror stories of advanced civilizations coming to drink our blood or drain our oceans, there is the idea that an alien culture advanced enough to conquer interstellar space, would have a benign purpose.

Of course, we have only human history, with its lizard brain influence, to fall back on. We have no idea what an utterly different civilization would do if they actually encountered humans.

They might take one look at what we've done to our own planet, and move to prevent our kind from metastasizing throughout the universe.

Or, they might just hand over a Phlttzitfit Cube, that feeds on pollution and puts out an infinite supply of energy for us.



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Sep 19th, 2019 11:53 AM   Edit   Profile  

If aliens pass in the neighborhood of Earth, they probably roll up their windows and lock the doors.

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Sep 19th, 2019 11:57 AM   Edit   Profile  

Don't get your hopes up.

They won't waste their time with us; they'll keep going.

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