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| FrenchFit Contributing Member NorCal, yo Watch Your Line |
I've seen a dozen bands in the last six weeks, most unknown, a few famous or with long histories, CDs and followers. Festival concerts and local bars, big $ and free. <br /> <br /> I know I sound like a hater, but 98% of what I heard sucks big time. Worthless crap, souless noise.<br /> <br /> What happened? Did everyone forget how to play rock n' roll, or did I fall into a cosmic wormhole. Is there anyone out there that can actually rock a place down to its floorboards? <br /> <br /> |
| LeftRightOut Contributing Member * Australia too many guitars and not enough hands |
your just getting old |
| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Wrong is the New Right |
To paraphrase an old song, maybe your "looking for rock in all the wrong places"? |
| 6L6 Contributing Member ********** *** Lago, CA |
"Is there anyone out there that can actually rock a place down to its floorboards...?"<br /> <br /> Amongst the current generation?<br /> <br /> Nope. |
| 6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry |
It has a lot to do with the economy. The music business has always pushed conformity over artistic value. Nothing new there. In a better economy, there are enough venues that musicians can find work for all sorts of less mainstream shows. And by less mainstream, I mean high quality shows no matter the style of music. Now, venues are spread apart, pay is down and travel expenses are up. It's tough to get started the way bands used to by booking tours of small clubs and building a following. That method bleeds money in 2012. So what we end up with is bands that have enough money from other sources to survive and the usual garbage promoted by the industry. There are still great musicians out there. Young ones too, but not the money to keep them going as bands or promote them. |
| Peegoo Contributing Member ********** ********** That chicken is WRONG, baby. |
LeftRightOut,<br /> <br /> We're all getting old. <br /> <br /> But there IS some truth to the issue of homogenized, disposable music product the industry is squirting out these days.<br /> <br /> Pop music a wasteland, pretty much. Glad there are indies that still work hard to make real music. |
| 6L6 Contributing Member ********** *** Lago, CA |
Good link, Peegoo!<br /> <br /> 6 |
| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Wrong is the New Right |
There lots of great rock music out there. If you can't find any, you're not looking very hard.<br /> <br /> Jeez with the interwebs, finding new rock music is fairy easy.<br /> <br /> NOTE - Complaining about modern pop music is like complaining about the quality of food at McDonalds. WHAT THE HELL DID YOU EXPECT, CONSIDERING THE SOURCE? (:oD |
| waxcomb Detroit Rock Ave. bassist, The Blackburns |
With cheap gear, Internet lessons and older folks getting the time to finally do it, there are a huge number of bands being formed. We were one of the early dad bands in our area, getting lots of press because of it. Now, there are tons of them, all working for free in hopes of building a reputation. |
| reverendrob FDP Data Goon Moderator Hero, hero you have done so well... |
Would you recognize the things that the kids are into, that resonate with them, that make them happy?<br /> <br /> This is a different world, what rocks for them is often far different than what rocks for the 60s or the 80s.<br /> <br /> There's a ton of killer bands out there, probably more than ever - but well, most of them won't pass geezer sensibilities.<br /> <br /> I've seen the reactions in Moe's when even the stuff that's approaching normal is posted.;0<br /> <br /> It's like watching Ed Sullivan react to Jefferson Airplane after eating a pound of psychedelic mushrooms. |
| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Wrong is the New Right |
I may be of geezer age, but my tastes in music have evolved with the times. My ears aren't old. (:oD |
| FrenchFit Contributing Member NorCal, yo Watch Your Line |
I don't think it has much to do with the genre, or age. One of my favorite bands is a relatively unknown power pop group, they rock it for sure, and I've got 30 years on them. I guess I'm looking for a little passion, some love for the music and the beat. What I'm seeing is...white bread & blues posers.<br /> <br /> I guess I am looking in the wrong places. |
| 6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry |
Think of it. The only way for a band to survive is to have someone able and willing take a financial loss. Someone has to provide a vehicle, sound system, lighting and rehearsal space. Someone needs to front the expenses of promotional material and have the time and energy to hustle up jobs. Notice how musical talent is absent from that list. If you have all of the above, you have a band. That's why there's so many bad bands. For money and talent to come together is pretty rare. Now maybe there are places left where you could get enough close by work to get a start up band started without personal investment up front, but no place I know of. |
| littleuch Contributing Member ********* Michigan |
The band I'm in is basically a "boys bowling night out" classic rock jam band. We also play some jump blues and such. Recently we were asked to play a country club gig to fit the theme an acquaintance was looking for at his wedding reception. Fun time, good time, but wow are those twenty something girls clueless on the dance floor if it ain't straight thumpin' downbeat. |
| Steve Dallman Contributing Member ***** Merrill, Wisconsin Ain't turned 60, but I got my blinker on |
I've been to a couple fairs or festivals. Lot's of 80's stuff, some very well played, but it's still 80's stuff. Perhaps that's the last decade actual songs were performed. <br /> <br /> From the 90's on, too much popular "music" is just overprocessed studio stuff, with that hammering "dumb...dumb...dumb..." nearly drowning the "music" out. I dare say, nothing from the 90's on will ever make it onto "oldies" stations. It's mostly throw away crap. <br /> <br /> Our band plays more obscure, but very dance-able stuff. We are well received by all ages, even though much of what we play is pre-Beatles era blues and R&B...and we're three old white geezers. We play well, mesh well together, and have a great time playing. Isn't that what makes music fun? We have a ball, the audiences have fun...<br /> <br /> I'm not getting old...I AM old. I loved a lot of stupid music in my younger days too. |
| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Wrong is the New Right |
"Perhaps that's the last decade actual songs were performed."<br /> <br /> You cannot be serious! |
| jbryan Minneapolis |
Wow, such negativity! Yeah, I'm not a kid anymore but what about the following bands and their new music: <br /> <br /> Black Keys (one of my Favs)<br /> Neon Trees<br /> Train (been around a while by Drive By is an awesome song)<br /> Howler<br /> Dawes<br /> <br /> You can't put these songs side by side with songs from the 60's to the 80's. But they are good bands with good material, the Black Keys especially have a real "retro feel" to their music. I love Neon Trees brand new song "Everybody Talks"...<br /> <br /> You have to keep your ears young! I am sick of classic rock bands and 80's bands. yeah, our band has to play some classic rock as that keeps us working but we also spend about 50% of our setlist with mid-90's to current for mental health reasons! <br /> <br /> <br /> And so what if some of it is electronically processed? I play keys as a main instrument and yeah, that's a computer with black and whites on it! It's taking that new technology and applying it musically and making something with it that counts. Trying to say that nothing electronic can be good is silly. That's like all those old people who got upset when Bob Dylan played an "OMG Electric Guitar". <br /> <br /> The question that needs to be asked is "do you want to remain relevant" or become someone who has shut down and claims there hasn't been any good music since 1985? And this goes for non-musicians too. I get so annoyed with friends and acquaintances that are "stuck in the 70's and 80's". <br /> |
| urby Contributing Member ******** Warshington State |
There are good new bands out there. You are just not going to hear them on mainstream radio. Find a good college station or maybe an internet radio station.<br /> <br /> |
| 6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry |
I don't think a playlist makes you relevant or stuck. You either entertain people or you don't. Nothing wrong with making use of current (or old time) airplay and covering songs you think the people will already know and like, but I wouldn't elevate that approach to making a act relevant. To me, if you want the status of being relevant, you must either bring massive talent to established tunes like Ella Fitzgerald or break new ground with original material. |
| Lesterstrat Moderator Florida |
"I dare say, nothing from the 90's on will ever make it onto "oldies" stations. It's mostly throw away crap."<br /> <br /> Ummm, they're already played on oldies stations. Hell, it has its own channel on Sirrius. And Pearl Jam, like Elvis, Springsteen, etc... has their own dedicated channel.<br /> <br /> And, '80s rock SUCKS. It is the absolute worst decade in rock history. It's one thing to wear make up and costumes such as KISS and Alice Cooper for theatrical purposes, but having every band for an entire decade cross dressing from men to fem boys? No thanks!<br /> <br /> There are some good bands out there. You just have to know where to look. Some even get radio play. I happen to like Kings of Leon and The Killers, for example. |
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