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| Steve Dallman Contributing Member ***** Merrill, Wisconsin Dangit! Hot weather. |
So, the band is TOO LOUD!!! Sure, bringing your Marshall halfstack, and trying to blow all them away is the answer...<br /> <br /> ...yep...that'll take care of the problem...good luck with all that.<br /> <br /> I used to play in loud, hard rock bands. I loved it. Loud is exciting, and the feeling of power is great...especially if a little buzzed. <br /> <br /> Playing at "sensible" levels takes practice and is harder. It isn't as exciting. You hear all the notes, and the singing clearly. Mistakes stick out. There isn't the "power rush" of the high volume. <br /> <br /> But in time, it starts to get really good. You can hear how the band meshes. You get nuances and can play off them. Harmonies are easier, because you can hear them. It all gets better...as long as decent musicianship is there. <br /> <br /> In our band, we are more likely to turn down, than turn up. If I can't hear the guitar, I turn down. If the guitar can't hear me, he turns down. We get a lot of feeback from the crowd as to the overall volume and adjust accordingly, but so far, no complaints at all about being too loud. |
| MadeInJapan New York I love the smell of nitro in the morning |
I recorded 4 bands at a small venue a few years ago. 2 alternatve, 1hard rock, and 1 death metal band. The death metal band brought a half-stack and were the youngest out of the group, the bassist couldn't have been older than 16.<br /> <br /> But they were the easiest (and loudest, btw) to mix down. They had their act together and all the frequencies fit nicely together. Less ear fatigue.<br /> <br /> The other 3 bands sounded like mud.<br /> |
| 6G6 Texas Fender power to the people! |
A lot has to do with how loud the drummer is.<br /> I played 8 years with a VERY loud drummer.<br /> Now, I have permanat tinitus.<br /> I also have a bass rig that can crank out 900 watts.<br /> I play it at a lower power setting, on about 2,<br /> but if ya insist on bringing a full stack, I can make you not hear it and it won't even bother me, since I have lost so much hearing, already. |
| Gaukdawg Ohio I'm with you fellers! |
We use electronic drums and can vary our volume from as quiet as you want to as loud as you want. Being able to keep it quiet is very important to many of our customers and gets us quite a few gigs. |
| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Chasing Sanity |
NOTE - I have fitted ear plugs with music filters that I got from an audiologist. <br /> <br /> While this cuts the dbs, it doesn't help a horrible stage mix caused by too much volume. |
| 6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry |
There's two different mixes. Stage mix and front mix. The front mix and overall volume out front differs depending on the type of club and style of music. There, the customer is always right, but for stage volume, I want to hear a good tone from my guitar amp and vocal monitor. I don't ever want to hear about boosting mids and "cutting through the mix". I have a 30w amp pointed right at my head set to a nice, full bodied tone with the volume set to 5 at the most. this is the tone I want to hear when I play and the tone I want to project to the audience. If the band is so loud on stage that my amp is getting masked over and all I hear is a crappy, thin sound, the band is too loud and I've got a problem. Same for the vocal monitor. No, I don't want it EQed like a 300w telephone. That might be OK for some, but not for me. If a band can't manage their stage volume at least most of the time, I'm gone. |
| Standard24 San Antonio, Texas |
Why have amps onstage at all? Queen never did, and they were semi-successful...<br /> <br /> Amp modelers, combined with in-ear monitors, keep the stage volume way down, and each player gets the mix he wants in his ears. (I use a $20.00 Behringer headphone amp, a Pod Pro, and Klipsch ear buds... sounds awesome).<br /> <br /> If your stage volume is that loud, I'll bet your audience is being blasted. |
| 6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry |
Sure there's all kinds of technical ways to lower stage volume. IE monitors, fake drums, plastic shields ect, but it is possible to play traditional instruments and fit your volume to the room you're playing in. Musicians have been doing it for years. |
| rvwinkle Contributing Member ********** ***** Twin Cities, USA Land of Sky Blue Waters |
This is difficult problem. An arms race usually ensues.<br /> <br /> Insist in playing and singing at reasonable volume. If your band mates complain, tell them that they are playing too loud.<br /> <br /> If you get fired from the band, you will have the solace in the knowledge in knowing you were doing the job at the best of your ability.<br /> <br /> Lee |
| Peegoo Contributing Member ********** ********** That chicken is WRONG, baby. |
If you can't communicate (have a conversation) with band members onstage while chugging along, it's too loud.<br /> <br /> Volume discipline is one of several important factors associated with being a pro. |
| Fast Lane Pablo USA |
In my trio I'm blessed to play with a bass player and drummer who know how to use volume for dynamics, but keep it under control. I rarely use an amp that's more then 22 watts. |
| MLC Contributing Member ********** It's not just good.. ...it's good enough. |
"I rarely use an amp that's more then 22 watts."<br /> <br /> Yeah, I use a Deluxe Reverb (22w) and/or a Gibson Goldtone GA15-RV (15w) and we've got drums, bass, 2 guitars, and keys - including a Hammond B3. Fortunately, we're all band veterans and we make it a priority to keep things clear and balanced.<br /> <br /> It really comes down to everyone in the band choosing to be reasonable and working together to manage the sound. If you've got a couple guys who want to play the volume war game, the overall sound will suffer. |
| avsalesman Australia 'scuse me while I kiss the sky. |
I would say a lot of this volume problem has to do with deaf drummers. Seriously, our drummer is an absolute powerhouse, not only plays very well but very loud, we (2nd gtr, bass and keys) in turn have to be at a certain level that (for me) requires the use of ear plugs. I would rather not but tinnitus is no joke.<br /> He is deaf as a post.<br /> <br /> Drummers out there, hit em softer! |
| jbryan Minneapolis |
Are you guys micing the guitars? If so, you can certainly "downsize" all the guitar amps if these guys are hauling in their Marshall Stacks...the new trend is small, low wattage amps or modeling amps. You mentioned you point your 30watt amp at you and put it on 5. It's basically your personal guitar monitor- which is how it should be done! The members on the opposite side of the stage should be hearing you through their MONITOR, not from your amp across the stage! Then it will always be too loud. Drummers too have a part in this. If your drummer can't quiet down, have him use different sticks (those make a HUGE Difference), or put him behind a plexiglass shield. But the small guitar amp mic'd and put through the monitor mix will def help you a ton!! Even in small clubs. It's all about CONTROL of the sound. Your FOH mix will also benefit. I have to believe that your Stage Mix must be bleeding out to the FOH mix which makes everything muddy sounding and louder for your audience. Two things that aren't good. Hope you can all fix the problem! Best of Luck! |
| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Chasing Sanity |
Whether our amps (and the drums) are mic'd depends on the venue.<br /> <br /> Our rhythm guitarist/lead singer's 60-watt combo is the main cause of the volume issue. I may have to buy him a tilt stand in order to get some relief.<br /> <br /> I tilt my combos back to (1) hear myself better and (2) not create issues with the soundman. |
| 9fingers Contributing Member ***** Floe, WV A few BIG notes! |
"Our rhythm guitarist/lead singer's 60-watt combo is the main cause of the volume issue. I may have to buy him a tilt stand in order to get some relief."<br /> <br /> Amen to that. The backs of the knees don't hear so good. One of the tilt stands that gets the amp up couple feet AND tilts it up about triples what the player can actually hear from it. |
| MLC Contributing Member ********** It's not just good.. ...it's good enough. |
"I may have to buy him a tilt stand in order to get some relief."<br /> <br /> +2<br /> <br /> Our other guitarist uses a 2x12 combo that I think is around 80 watts. But he always tilts it or gets it up high enough to hear it (and I always to the same) so we have no trouble balancing it with my 15-20 watt amps. |
| shunka Contributing Member **** Willoughby, OH , USA I'm arrogant and a moron |
Larely I've noticed that a lot of amps are either off to the side of the stage and aimed across it or behind the player and tilted up. Nearly straight up sometimes. |
| Gene O. Contributing Member ** Canton, Ohio, USA |
After reading this, I decided to dial down my stage rig for this Saturday's gig. Hopefully everyone else will follow. |
| DPH Massachusetts, USA |
"I rarely use an amp that's more then 22 watts."<br /> <br /> You are a lucky man. I recently bought a mod’ed Vibrolux with the hope that it could replace my 65lb Twin. The Vibrolux sounded quite good, but didn’t have the clean headroom to be heard on top of our very loud and very deaf keyboard player + a horn section so I had to sell it. |
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