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| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Chasing Sanity |
DHP - The '59 Bassman LTD (50 watts) weighs 53 lbs and the '63 Vibroverb RI (40 watts) weighs 45 lbs. <br /> <br /> These are the two combos I gig with and they're plenty loud and don't weigh a ton. |
| stinger22 USA |
Had a BDRI that I fought volume for a long time even going to an effects loop volume box. Finally got a DRRI which is very manageable and a Mustang III which again is very manageable. Our problem was the other guitar player and his Mesa Boogies which he turned up enough to get the tubes to distort. We struggled at practice and finally told him we should BOTH turn our amps away from everyone. That helped but gigging was still a problem. Then about a month ago we were playing a routine gig we have and the woman who owns the place screamed out at him 'turn the MFer down!!!'. He finally got the message and went out and trade one of his Mesa's for a DRRI for gigs and a Frontman for practice and a couple of other goodies. Way better now. |
| Gene O. Contributing Member ** Canton, Ohio, USA |
Yep. I'm taking the Mustang III to the gig this Saturday. The other guitarist plays a HR Deville 212, and I doubt that he'll change. |
| jbryan Minneapolis |
Shunka mentioned something I forgot to say- I always tilt my Mustang III back on this cool little tripod amp stand I bought. It folds up and fits in the back cavity of either my M III or my Classic 30. Holds up to 80 pounds too! And we always direct the gutiar amps cross stage- not facing the audience!!! Major faux pas IMO! Drives soundment crazy, and if not tilted back, well, as mentioned, your ears are not at kneed level! If you crank it up to hear it that way, across the stage it will be piercing!! So, put the amps on the side of the stage. Mic the amps. Tilt the amps. And put the guitar through the monitor mix! Your issues will be resolved!<br /> <br /> BTW Gene O., your Mustang III will give that Hot Rod Deville 212 a good run for its money! Believe me :) Not trying to cause volume wars but you will have the juice to do battle with if need be with that Mustang! |
| Gene O. Contributing Member ** Canton, Ohio, USA |
Yeah, I think it'll do just fine. :) |
| cedarchoper58 62 Strat Man |
Just like to loud is bad to quite is just as bad or worse. I can't stand volume Nazi's that dont have a clue and want it so low you have no room to turn your guitars volume knob down so the bamd has no dynamics. Believe there are plenty of those now days. You cant play as low as a juke box you need to have some drive to get people dancing. |
| 6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry |
But...energy and dynamics doesn't come from a volume knob. Unless you're a major act and only play large venues, small rooms with reflective acoustics is something you have to deal with and that can mean playing with energy at low volumes. Maybe even as low as a jukebox. Depends on the space you're playing in. As far as volume nazis goes, I don't worry about that. If the band leader says turn down, I turn down. I never think of it as being oppressive. Just business. I do my job. |
| 6L6 Contributing Member ********** *** Lago, CA Kick the tires, Light the fires! |
After gigging over 26 years with our Classic Oldies Band, I've never needed more than my '72 SFDR turned up to a maximum of "3.5". <br /> <br /> And, we are a six piece band.<br /> <br /> 6 |
| 6L6 Contributing Member ********** *** Lago, CA Kick the tires, Light the fires! |
After gigging over 26 years with our Classic Oldies Band, I've never needed more than my '72 SFDR turned up to a maximum of "3.5". <br /> <br /> And, we are a six piece band.<br /> <br /> 6 |
| MrMajstyk USA 64 Gretsch Tenn, 07 Dlx Plyr Strat, 99 H |
I usually play with...ummm...more mature players (OK, geezers!)...sometimes the guys we play with (maybe even ourselves) get a little hard-of-hearing over the years. It happens. <br /> <br /> Sometimes we lose certain frequencies in our hearing without even realizing it. And sometimes our playing volume sneaks up over time...or we think our amp or guitar just doesn't have the same "bite" it used to have, when its really our ears!<br /> <br /> I know I have lost a certain frequency range in MY hearing...and wouldn't you know it, it just happens to be the same frequency range my girlfriends' voice takes on when she's raggin' on me about something! Oh well.... |
| rockdoc11 USA Bass is the place . . . |
In my experience (45 years! Yikes!) gigging in rock bands, I've concluded that drummers are the functional volume controls for bands. <br /> <br /> IME, bands with loud drummers can NEVER get their volume under control. <br /> <br /> Bands with drummers who can bring it down as well as up have better success with voume management.<br /> <br /> All, of course, IMHO and IME . . . |
| cedarchoper58 62 Strat Man |
If I play in a band where there is a so called leader then I become a hired gun and expect a guaranteed pay and will play like a employee of thers and play how ever they want. If its a group band I will play at a reasonable but not ear splittying volume. I refuse to play at juke box levels. If they want that I wont be playing there and I have been doinning this for decades sucessfully. You need to have enough volume to where you can turn the guitar volume knob down to clean it up and still be heard |
| Gato Contributing Member ********* USA |
Been playing gigs since 1964 and volume has been a problem the whole time.<br /> In my current band (going on 15 years) the guitars are being played by "mature" guys over 50, who refuse to acknowledge that the problem exists (even though a glance around the rehearsal studio reveals everyone except those two wearing earplugs). When my active attempts to bring down the volume failed ("hey guys... see the bar patrons with their hands over their ears?") I went with passive resistance: I just turned my bass down to a reasonable level of volume. From this I got "can't hear the bass, turn up! Turn up!. So now I just go with the flow wearing my max db pro earplugs that cut way down on the discomfort (and my enjoyment). |
| cedarchoper58 62 Strat Man |
thats to much when you see people with there hands over there ears. You need to be between Juke box and that. I have seen people though that dont like the music your playing and complain about the volume even though its super low. I did a gig once where this regular customer kept complaining to the bar manager we were to loud and we were told repeatedly to turn down. They even came over and told us to turn down when we had the PA off and you could hear the strings acusticly on our electrics. We packed up and left half way thru the second set and the 20 plus people that were there to see us were upset and complained to the bar manager which said this regular girl keeps complaining. We got paid and apologized to by the management and never went back. So its not always too loud when some one complains r puts there hand over there ears |
| fredocaster USA |
Too loud is too stupid. The sound mix is very hard to get right, it drives away your audience, makes it impossible to clearly hear what is going on for band members, and makes you stone deaf. I won't play with this kind of band, period. |
| 6 Cylinder Slim New England Shoes for Industry |
I can understand having personal limits of what you're willing to do as a musician. I have some too. Mostly, I've worked for band leaders or headliners. There were plenty of times where the boss would say: This is a small room, only want a trio, we'll have to keep it down. So we show up to find one of those 19th century buildings with a restaurant upstairs and a cellar bar with brick walls that make the snare sound like a rifle going off and a postage stamp stage area. This kind of thing would happen sometimes. The thing is, we had to adapt but still put on a strong, dynamic show. So, in my experience over the years, learning to play a strong show at very low volume was an important skill to have. Might not be for everybody, but it was for me. |
| 5Strats Contributing Member ********** *** Edmond/OKC Chasing Sanity |
Our stage mix was good at Saturday night's show, but this might be because our lead singer/rhythm guitarist's amp wasn't working (it started squeeling when turned on).<br /> <br /> He used my Blues Jr. NOS and it definitely was loud enough. |
| MLC Contributing Member ********** It's not just good.. ...it's good enough. |
Sounds like you've at least identified the source of the problem then, 5.<br /> <br /> (;^)<br /> |
| BrentD Contributing Member **** Lansing, MI |
Sounds like 5 "accidentally" rattled some tubes, too. LOL! |
| slacker Hawkeye Country Thread crapping is unbecoming |
Your drummer sets the minimum stage volume...assuming he/she is playing acoustic drums.<br /> <br /> Our drummer was a female who played well and yet had a very solid control of dynamics. She did not pound the drums into submission.<br /> <br /> That in turn allowed the rest of us to turn down. The other guitar player and I had our amps on tilt back stands (mine even had a cool bendy mic holder) pointed directly at us. This really made it easy to turn down. I typically ran my Traynor YCV40 at about 2.5 on the volume knob. <br /> <br /> The keyboard player ran direct into the PA and relied on his own monitor mix for his keys and vocals. <br /> <br /> For anything other than really small clubs, we mic'd everything. That, combined with our reasonable stage volume, gave us great control over FOH mix and levels. We were never asked to turn down.<br /> <br /> This all started with the drummer though. If they're pounding the drums like an ape, moderate stage volume is pretty much impossible.<br /> <br /> You can play a outdoor festival with a 15 watt amp if you want...or no amp at all. I've never really understood the purpose of a half or full stack 100+W amp. The 40 watt Traynor is the most powerful amp I own and I hardly warmed it up. The only reason I used a 40W amp was that I really liked its tone and versatility.<br /> <br /> We played several large outdoor gigs and I used the same amp I used in a tiny little 50 person club. The PA, however, obviously has to be much more substantial for the large outdoor shows though. |
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